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Homework Statement


the ans given is 95Nm , but i gt 80.9Nm , which part i did wrongly ?

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20(4) -39(5/surd 26(3)) +39(1/surd26)(1) -60(3/5)(1)+60(4/5)(3)
=80.9[/B]
 
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  • Handwritten-annotated textbook problem: a 6 by 4 grid of squares with point A marked near the right side, a 20 N force pointing up on the left, a 39 N force on the upper right with a 1 to 5 slope triangle, and a 60 N force at the bottom with a 4 to 3 slope triangle.
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What is a surd26 ?
Could you tidy up your notation in general as well. 20(4) probably means 20 N * 4 m = 80 Nm ?

[edit] o:) sorry, that 20(4) is a correct notation. Just had to get used to the sight.
 
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firstly, I don't think

20(4) -39(5/surd 26(3)) +39(1/surd26)(1) -60(3/5)(1)+60(4/5)(3)


would yield 80.9

The term 39(1/ Sqrt[26])(1) should not be there... 60 (4/5)(3) the (3) should be a (2)

however with these adjustments, the answer is still not 95 Nm clockwise by my calculations (more like 25-ish), I believe there might be typo somewhere??
 
Sigh... after wasting some time on this, I conclude that surd26 is ##\sqrt { 26}## and you use it to decompose the 39 N into x and y components. For the ##\ \vec r\ ## in ##\ \vec \tau = \vec r \times \vec F\ ## you then take ##\ \vec r = (1,3)\ ##. Shouldn't that be ##\ \vec r = (0,3) \ ## ? It gives yet another answer, but I wouldn't trust a book answer in a book that let's 1 m be represented by a square ( :wink: )

PS I get what mjsd gets. The bat types faster ... :smile:
 
BvU said:
Sigh... after wasting some time on this, I conclude that surd26 is ##\sqrt { 26}## and you use it to decompose the 39 N into x and y components. For the ##\ \vec r\ ## in ##\ \vec \tau = \vec r \times \vec F\ ## you then take ##\ \vec r = (1,3)\ ##. Shouldn't that be ##\ \vec r = (0,3) \ ## ? It gives yet another answer, but I wouldn't trust a book answer in a book that let's 1 m be represented by a square ( :wink: )

PS I get what mjsd gets. The bat types faster ... :smile:

sorry , the book contain error , the 1m should be 12m on the 39N triangle . I have redo the question .
20(4) -39(5/13)(3) +39(12/13)(1) -60(3/5)(1)+60(4/5)(3)
=179N
 
werson tan said:
sorry , the book contain error , the 1m should be 12m on the 39N triangle . I have redo the question .
20(4) -39(5/13)(3) +39(12/13)(1) -60(3/5)(1)+60(4/5)(3)
=179N

As I said in my first post...
39(12/13)(1) should NOT be there as the (1) is actually (0)...can you see that?
and
60(4/5)(3) is actually 60(4/5)(2)
once you have got these
you should get 95 Nm for your answers
 
mjsd said:
As I said in my first post...
39(12/13)(1) should NOT be there as the (1) is actually (0)...can you see that?
and
60(4/5)(3) is actually 60(4/5)(2)
once you have got these
you should get 95 Nm for your answers
I know what u mean . In the above steps , I have resolved the 60N in this way( black and red) , whereas the green colour one is the resolution of force done by you .

For the 39N force , I have resolved the force in this way ( black and red)
 
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  • Diagram of force vectors: a red arrow labelled 39N points diagonally down-left, with black component arrows pointing left and down; on the right, green arrows point straight down and left.
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  • Hand-drawn vector diagram: black perpendicular x and y axes with a red arrow labelled 60N at 45 degrees between them, and on the right a green horizontal arrow pointing right above a green vertical arrow pointing up.
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werson tan said:
I know what u mean . In the above steps , I have resolved the 60N and 39N in this way( black and red) , whereas the green colour one is the resolution of force done by you .

For the 39N force , I have resolved the force in this way ( black and red)
yes , i know why it should be 39(12/13)(0), now my question is why can't I resolve the force in the way that i have posted earlier?
I have resolved the 60N and 39N in this way( black and red) , whereas the green colour one is the resolution of force done by you .
 
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  • Diagram of force vectors: left, a red arrow labelled 39N pointing down-left, black arrows pointing left and down; right, green arrows pointing down and left as components.
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  • Hand-drawn vector diagram: black x and y axes meeting at a corner, a red arrow at 45 degrees from the origin labelled 60N, and on the right a green horizontal arrow with a green vertical arrow below it.
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