Moment about a point using graph paper

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The discussion revolves around calculating the moment about a point using graph paper, specifically addressing discrepancies in calculated values for torque involving various forces and distances. The subject area includes mechanics and vector decomposition.

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  • Participants discuss their calculations of torque and question the correctness of their approaches. There are attempts to clarify notation and the meaning of terms like "surd26." Some participants express confusion over the components of forces and their resolutions, while others suggest potential errors in the original problem setup.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and corrections to each other's calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the decomposition of forces and the use of specific values, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or final answer.

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Homework Statement


the ans given is 95Nm , but i gt 80.9Nm , which part i did wrongly ?

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20(4) -39(5/surd 26(3)) +39(1/surd26)(1) -60(3/5)(1)+60(4/5)(3)
=80.9[/B]
 

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What is a surd26 ?
Could you tidy up your notation in general as well. 20(4) probably means 20 N * 4 m = 80 Nm ?

[edit] o:) sorry, that 20(4) is a correct notation. Just had to get used to the sight.
 
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firstly, I don't think

20(4) -39(5/surd 26(3)) +39(1/surd26)(1) -60(3/5)(1)+60(4/5)(3)


would yield 80.9

The term 39(1/ Sqrt[26])(1) should not be there... 60 (4/5)(3) the (3) should be a (2)

however with these adjustments, the answer is still not 95 Nm clockwise by my calculations (more like 25-ish), I believe there might be typo somewhere??
 
Sigh... after wasting some time on this, I conclude that surd26 is ##\sqrt { 26}## and you use it to decompose the 39 N into x and y components. For the ##\ \vec r\ ## in ##\ \vec \tau = \vec r \times \vec F\ ## you then take ##\ \vec r = (1,3)\ ##. Shouldn't that be ##\ \vec r = (0,3) \ ## ? It gives yet another answer, but I wouldn't trust a book answer in a book that let's 1 m be represented by a square ( :wink: )

PS I get what mjsd gets. The bat types faster ... :smile:
 
BvU said:
Sigh... after wasting some time on this, I conclude that surd26 is ##\sqrt { 26}## and you use it to decompose the 39 N into x and y components. For the ##\ \vec r\ ## in ##\ \vec \tau = \vec r \times \vec F\ ## you then take ##\ \vec r = (1,3)\ ##. Shouldn't that be ##\ \vec r = (0,3) \ ## ? It gives yet another answer, but I wouldn't trust a book answer in a book that let's 1 m be represented by a square ( :wink: )

PS I get what mjsd gets. The bat types faster ... :smile:

sorry , the book contain error , the 1m should be 12m on the 39N triangle . I have redo the question .
20(4) -39(5/13)(3) +39(12/13)(1) -60(3/5)(1)+60(4/5)(3)
=179N
 
werson tan said:
sorry , the book contain error , the 1m should be 12m on the 39N triangle . I have redo the question .
20(4) -39(5/13)(3) +39(12/13)(1) -60(3/5)(1)+60(4/5)(3)
=179N

As I said in my first post...
39(12/13)(1) should NOT be there as the (1) is actually (0)...can you see that?
and
60(4/5)(3) is actually 60(4/5)(2)
once you have got these
you should get 95 Nm for your answers
 
mjsd said:
As I said in my first post...
39(12/13)(1) should NOT be there as the (1) is actually (0)...can you see that?
and
60(4/5)(3) is actually 60(4/5)(2)
once you have got these
you should get 95 Nm for your answers
I know what u mean . In the above steps , I have resolved the 60N in this way( black and red) , whereas the green colour one is the resolution of force done by you .

For the 39N force , I have resolved the force in this way ( black and red)
 

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werson tan said:
I know what u mean . In the above steps , I have resolved the 60N and 39N in this way( black and red) , whereas the green colour one is the resolution of force done by you .

For the 39N force , I have resolved the force in this way ( black and red)
yes , i know why it should be 39(12/13)(0), now my question is why can't I resolve the force in the way that i have posted earlier?
I have resolved the 60N and 39N in this way( black and red) , whereas the green colour one is the resolution of force done by you .
 

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