What is the Moment of Inertia for a Non-Uniform Cane with Attached Device?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the moment of inertia for a non-uniform cane with an attached device. Participants explore methods to determine the moment of inertia given the cane's unique properties, including its non-uniform density and the addition of an external weight. The conversation includes theoretical considerations and practical approaches to measurement.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the cane's specifications, including its length, center of mass, and weight, and seeks assistance in calculating its moment of inertia about a specified axis.
  • Another participant suggests using the frequency of oscillation from swinging the cane as a method to determine the moment of inertia.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the relationship between frequency and moment of inertia, indicating a lack of clarity on the calculation process.
  • One reply attempts to clarify the concept by referencing the physics of pendulums, suggesting that the participant may have learned this in an introductory physics course.
  • A participant questions the difference between the radius of gyration and the distance from the pivot to the center of mass, indicating a need for further explanation.
  • Another participant responds by explaining that points farther from the pivot move faster, hinting at the underlying principles of inertia.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the method for calculating the moment of inertia, with some suggesting different approaches and others expressing confusion about the concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the provided information, such as the lack of a clear equation for the cane's mass/density distribution and the complexity introduced by the non-uniformity of the cane.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in physics, particularly those exploring concepts related to moment of inertia, pendulum dynamics, and non-uniform mass distributions.

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I have a cane with non-uniform density and I'm trying to find its moment of inertia. There is no equation for its mass/density vs. length. If you need to picture it, it's a folding White Cane used by the blind. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000VB0CG0/?tag=pfamazon01-20

I found the center of mass in a crude way by just trying to balance it. The axis of rotation should be about 12 cm down from the handle, or 126.5 cm from the bottom, since this is where it is often held. I was wondering if anyone could help me find its moment of inertia at this axis.

Cane Length: 138.5 cm
Center of Mass: 63.5 cm from the handle, 75 cm from the bottom
Cane Weight: 255.15 grams

I am also trying to find the moment of inertia when a device weighing 230 grams is attached 30 cm from the top of the cane. The center of mass of the entire apparatus when the device is added is 50 cm from the handle of the cane and 88.5 from the bottom.
 
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That information is not sufficient in determining the inertia. What you can do is swing it like a pendulum and find the frequency of oscillation, then you can calculate the inertia.
 
Sorry, I don't quite follow. I'm confused on how I calculate moment of inertia from frequency.
 
I've taken a look at that, but I don't understand why the radius of gyration is different from the distance from the pivot to the center of mass.
 
Because points farther away from the rotation pivot move faster. Now you're getting into low level physics, i.e. asking why we define inertia of a particle as mr^2 etc.
 

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