Moment of Inertia of Hollow Sphere about Center Axis x-y-z method

AI Thread Summary
The discussion centers on calculating the moment of inertia of a hollow sphere about a vertical axis using different integration methods. The initial approach involved integrating using horizontal rings, yielding the correct result of 2/3MR². However, an attempt to integrate with respect to the z-axis led to an incorrect answer, prompting confusion about the method's validity. The error was clarified by emphasizing the correct expression for the area element, which incorporates both the circumference and the thickness of the "ribbon" formed by the rings. Ultimately, the discussion highlights the importance of using appropriate methods and equations for accurate calculations in physics.
howie8594
Messages
44
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



Find the moment of inertia of a hollow sphere about a vertical axis through its center in terms of its mass M and radius R.

Homework Equations



I=\int r^{2} dm


The Attempt at a Solution



I've been curious about different methods for finding moments of inertia. I've only seen the moment of inertia of a hollow sphere found by taking tiny rings touching the inner edge of the sphere and taking an infinite number of them extending from the top of the sphere to the bottom of the sphere. That was done by taking the horizontal component of the radius of the sphere Rcosθ and integrating from -\pi/2 to \pi/2 with respect to θ. I tried it that way and got 2/3MR^2, which is the right answer. What I don't understand is why integrating with respect to the z-axis wouldn't work also. I've tried it several times and have not gotten the right answer. I've attached a picture that attempts to explain my thinking on that a little. Anyway, here's what I did:


The moment of inertia of a ring is mr^{2}. So a small ring making up a small part of the sphere would have a moment of inertia:

dI=r^{2}dm=y^{2}dm. (y is the radius of any ring in the sphere).

The mass M of the sphere would be:

M=σA, where σ is the surface density measured in kg/m^2 and A is the total surface area of the sphere. I used surface density instead of regular volume density because the hollow sphere shouldn't have any thickness in the x or y direction theoretically; so as far as the mass is concerned, the sphere only has 2 dimensions. Written as a differential,

dm=σda. → σ=\dfrac{M}{A}=\dfrac{M}{4πR^{2}} → dm=\dfrac{M}{4πR^{2}}da=\dfrac{M}{4πR^{2}}*2πydz=\dfrac{My}{2R^{2}}dz.

(y is the radius of any ring in the sphere and 2πy is the circumference of that ring. So 2πy dz is that circumference times a small depth along the z-axis. That equals the small area element da). Now,

dI=y^{2}\dfrac{My}{2R^{2}}dz=y^{3}\dfrac{M}{2R^{2}}dz.

Looking at the attached diagram, it's easy to see that using Pythagorean's Theorem,

y^{2}=R^{2}-z^{2}. I substituted this back into the original differential and got:

dI=(R^{2}-z^{2})^{3/2}\dfrac{M}{2R^{2}}dz.

Integrating both sides,

I=\dfrac{M}{2R^{2}}\int(R^{2}-z^{2})^{3/2}dz.

To sum an infinite number of rings from the bottom of the sphere to the top of the sphere, I integrated from -R to R.

I=\dfrac{M}{2R^{2}}\int^{R}_{-R}(R^{2}-z^{2})^{3/2}dz.

Now, this looked to me like a pain to evaluate, but I ran it through a calculator and got:

I=\dfrac{M}{2R^{2}}\int^{R}_{-R}(R^{2}-z^{2})^{3/2}dz=\dfrac{M}{2R^{2}}*\dfrac{3πR^{4}}{8}

=\dfrac{3}{16}πMR^{2}.

This is obviously wrong, but I see no reason why this method wouldn't work. Where did I go wrong?

Thanks everyone!
 

Attachments

  • Sphere Diagram.jpg
    Sphere Diagram.jpg
    17.8 KB · Views: 976
Physics news on Phys.org
howie8594 said:
M=σA, where σ is the surface density measured in kg/m^2 and A is the total surface area of the sphere. I used surface density instead of regular volume density because the hollow sphere shouldn't have any thickness in the x or y direction theoretically; so as far as the mass is concerned, the sphere only has 2 dimensions. Written as a differential,

dm=σda. → σ=\dfrac{M}{A}=\dfrac{M}{4πR^{2}} → dm=\dfrac{M}{4πR^{2}}da=\dfrac{M}{4πR^{2}}*2πydz=\dfrac{My}{2R^{2}}dz.

(y is the radius of any ring in the sphere and 2πy is the circumference of that ring. So 2πy dz is that circumference times a small depth along the z-axis. That equals the small area element da).
No, the area element is equl to the circumference times the thickness of the "ribbon", that is da=2\pi y ds =2\pi y \sqrt{(dy)^2+(dz)^2}=2\pi y \sqrt{1+(\frac{dy}{dz})^2}dz
ehild
 
Oh ok that makes sense. I got the right answer doing it that way. Now I see why everyone uses the angle method instead. Thanks ehild.
 
You are welcome.

ehild
 
Thread 'Variable mass system : water sprayed into a moving container'
Starting with the mass considerations #m(t)# is mass of water #M_{c}# mass of container and #M(t)# mass of total system $$M(t) = M_{C} + m(t)$$ $$\Rightarrow \frac{dM(t)}{dt} = \frac{dm(t)}{dt}$$ $$P_i = Mv + u \, dm$$ $$P_f = (M + dm)(v + dv)$$ $$\Delta P = M \, dv + (v - u) \, dm$$ $$F = \frac{dP}{dt} = M \frac{dv}{dt} + (v - u) \frac{dm}{dt}$$ $$F = u \frac{dm}{dt} = \rho A u^2$$ from conservation of momentum , the cannon recoils with the same force which it applies. $$\quad \frac{dm}{dt}...
TL;DR Summary: I came across this question from a Sri Lankan A-level textbook. Question - An ice cube with a length of 10 cm is immersed in water at 0 °C. An observer observes the ice cube from the water, and it seems to be 7.75 cm long. If the refractive index of water is 4/3, find the height of the ice cube immersed in the water. I could not understand how the apparent height of the ice cube in the water depends on the height of the ice cube immersed in the water. Does anyone have an...
Back
Top