Help understanding NMOS waveforms

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The discussion revolves around understanding the waveforms of an NMOS device in a simulation using Microwind, particularly focusing on the meaning of the S1 signal in relation to the gate and drain voltages, and the implications of the circuit configuration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the meaning of S1 in the context of the NMOS device's operation, suggesting it may refer to the current through the device, while noting that the voltage across the transistor is typically low when it is on.
  • Another participant proposes that S1 likely represents the voltage at the source with respect to ground, rather than the drain, and asks for the circuit diagram for further clarification.
  • A participant raises a question about the circuit configuration, specifically whether the source is connected to ground via a resistor, and discusses the behavior of S1 remaining high when the gate voltage goes off.
  • One participant advises that connecting the source through a resistor to ground is only appropriate if degenerating the transconductance, and emphasizes the importance of knowing the circuit layout to provide accurate assistance.
  • Another participant speculates that S1 remaining high could indicate that the NMOS is driving a capacitor, explaining the relationship between the drain and source voltages in that scenario.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the circuit configuration and the meaning of S1, with multiple competing views on how the NMOS device operates under the given conditions. The discussion remains unresolved as participants seek further clarification and information.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of a circuit diagram and specific details about the layout, which are critical for understanding the behavior of the NMOS device in the simulation.

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Hello,

I have doing an example simulation on microwind of an nmos device. This has a clock signal at the gate and at the drain, though they are at difference frequencies. I'm not sure what the S1 is referring to in this diagram

http://imgur.com/a/B9Nes

Is it the current through the device, it says it is voltage vs time but as I understand it, when a transistor is on there is little voltage across it? But in this scenario S1 is almost the same as the gate voltage?Thanks
 
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jendrix said:
Is it the current through the device, it says it is voltage vs time but as I understand it, when a transistor is on there is little voltage across it? But in this scenario S1 is almost the same as the gate voltage?

s1 is likely the voltage at the source with respect to ground, not respect to the drain. Do you have the circuit diagram?
 
Jd0g33 said:
s1 is likely the voltage at the source with respect to ground, not respect to the drain. Do you have the circuit diagram?

Hello, I was using a guide in the Microwind manual which is the same process as this video



Are we to assume that the source is connected via a resistor to ground? Because at the point ~0.2 seconds we see S1 remain high when the gate goes off, how would this be possible if there were no current running?Thanks
 
You only connect the source through a resistor to ground if you're degenerating the transconductance of the device. If you don't know what that means, don't do it.

From looking at your plots, it looks like you're making an inverter with a single nmos device. Is this correct? Without knowing how the device is connected it is hard to help.
 
analogdesign said:
You only connect the source through a resistor to ground if you're degenerating the transconductance of the device. If you don't know what that means, don't do it.

From looking at your plots, it looks like you're making an inverter with a single nmos device. Is this correct? Without knowing how the device is connected it is hard to help.

Hi, thanks but I don't know the circuit unfortunately. It was an introduction to cmos design from the Microwind manual but it doesn't tell you the layout. I'll have to clarify with my teacher as you are correct, without knowing the layout it is guesswork.

Thanks anyway
 
jendrix said:
Because at the point ~0.2 seconds we see S1 remain high when the gate goes off, how would this be possible if there were no current running?
Correct. I'm guessing it's an NMOS driving a capacitor. That would be the reason for the on/off drain voltage, to discharge the capacitor when Vd = 0. Essentially, when the cap is charged and Vd = 0, the drain becomes the source and the source becomes the drain.
 

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