Multi-Particle QM Homework: Hamiltonian & Vacuum State

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Homework Statement



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Just number 1 please

Homework Equations



Hamiltonian is given by eq ? In the attachment

##\phi(x_1,x_2,...x_n,t)= \int dx_1...dx_n \phi(x_1,x_2...x_n,t) a^+(x_1)...a^(x_n) |0> ##

Where ## |0> ## is the vacuum state and ##a(x) |0>=0##

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I can follow the solution and it make sense wanting to move the derivative from delta to the wave function, however, I thought the gradient operator would act on everything to the right, and so you would use a product rule here..so we would get a term where it acts in the delta and the w.f multiplies it as given, as well as and a term where it acts on the wave function and the delta just multiplies it

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Many thanks
 

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binbagsss said:
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as well as and a term where it acts on the wave function and the delta just multiplies it
The ##\nabla^2## operator involves derivatives with respect to the coordinates associated with ##\vec x## and not with respect to the coordinates of ##\vec x_1## or ##\vec x_2##. Since ##\psi## is a function of ##\vec x_1## and ##\vec x_2##, but not of ##\vec x##, the operator ##\nabla^2## acting on the wavefunction gives zero.

When ##\nabla^2## acts on ##\delta^{(3)}(\vec x - \vec x_1)## you can show ##\nabla^2 \delta^{(3)}(\vec x - \vec x_1) = \nabla_1^2 \delta^{(3)}(\vec x - \vec x_1)## where ##\nabla_1^2## acts on the coordinates of ##\vec x_1##. This allows you to integrate by parts twice (with respect to the coordinates of ##\vec x_1##) to make ##\nabla_1^2## act on the wavefunction.
 
TSny said:
The ##\nabla^2## operator involves derivatives with respect to the coordinates associated with ##\vec x## and not with respect to the coordinates of ##\vec x_1## or ##\vec x_2##. Since ##\psi## is a function of ##\vec x_1## and ##\vec x_2##, but not of ##\vec x##, the operator ##\nabla^2## acting on the wavefunction gives zero.

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Omg, thank you !
 
binbagsss said:
Omg, thank you !
TSny said:
The ##\nabla^2## operator involves derivatives with respect to the coordinates associated with ##\vec x## and not with respect to the coordinates of ##\vec x_1## or ##\vec x_2##. Since ##\psi## is a function of ##\vec x_1## and ##\vec x_2##, but not of ##\vec x##, the operator ##\nabla^2## acting on the wavefunction gives zero.

When ##\nabla^2## acts on ##\delta^{(3)}(\vec x - \vec x_1)## you can show ##\nabla^2 \delta^{(3)}(\vec x - \vec x_1) = \nabla_1^2 \delta^{(3)}(\vec x - \vec x_1)## where ##\nabla_1^2## acts on the coordinates of ##\vec x_1##. This allows you to integrate by parts twice (with respect to the coordinates of ##\vec x_1##) to make ##\nabla_1^2## act on the wavefunction.

Hi ok I've done this but for the x integration to remove the dx and delta, there are no terms to replace x by ##x_1##. ... ?
 
binbagsss said:
Hi ok I've done this but for the x integration to remove the dx and delta, there are no terms to replace x by ##x_1##. ... ?
There's the creation operator at the beginning of the integrand which depends on ##\vec x##.
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This ##\vec x## will get replaced by ##\vec x_1## when integrating over ##d^3x## due to the delta function ##\delta^{(3)}(\vec x-\vec x_1)##.
 

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TSny said:
There's the creation operator at the beginning of the integrand which depends on ##\vec x##.
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This ##\vec x## will get replaced by ##\vec x_1## when integrating over ##d^3x## due to the delta function ##\delta^{(3)}(\vec x-\vec x_1)##.
A-ha I must be blind.