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The discussion revolves around evaluating a double integral involving the maximum of two squared variables, specifically the integral \int_0^1 \int_0^1 e^{max(x^2,y^2)}dydx. The original poster expresses uncertainty regarding their analytic solution and its verification through numerical approximation in Matlab.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to analyze the symmetry of the region of integration and considers changing the order of integration. They express confusion over the evaluation of the integral and the results obtained from Matlab.
  • Some participants question the setup of the integral and the assumptions made regarding the exponential function in the context of the graphing code.
  • Others suggest that the original poster may have overlooked the exponential term in their Matlab code, which could affect the numerical approximation.

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Participants are actively exploring the implications of the setup and the calculations involved. There is a recognition of the need for clarity regarding the exponential function in the context of the problem. The original poster has acknowledged a mistake in their code, which has led to a resolution aligning the numeric and analytic results.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the variables being real-valued and the symmetry of the integration region. There is also mention of the original poster's struggle with reading comprehension, which has influenced their approach to the problem.

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I have what I think is a valid solution, but I'm not sure, and when I try to check the answer approximately in Matlab, I don't get a verified value, and I'm not sure if my analytic solution or my approximation method in Matlab is at fault.

1. Homework Statement

Evaluate the integral

\int_0^1 \int_0^1 e^{max(x^2,y^2)}dydx

where max(x^2,y^2) is the larger of the numbers x2 and y2.

Assumption: I'm assuming that x2 and y2 are real valued.

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The Attempt at a Solution



I consider the region of integration thusly

There is symmetry about the line y = x. Below this line, the max value is of y squared, since for y < x, y2 > x2. And so above the line y = x, the max value is x squared.

This is true because 0 <= x <= 1 and 0 <= y <= 1.

Using Matlab to sketch the 3-D graph gets

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This looks right, and we can see the symmetry.

Now, if we setup the region is that we just integrate over the triangle created by y=x dividing the square [0,1]x[0,1], knowing that we must multiply the result by 2 at the end, we could evaluate the integral

\int_0^1 \int_0^x e^{y^2} dy dx

Now, this is problematic, since we can't eval. this analytically.

We can change the order of integration, but this results in further evariable squared integrated with respect to said variable situations. For instance, in one arrangement we get

\int_0^1\int_x^1 e^{x^2} dy dx

inner integral

\int_x^1 e^{x^2} dy = \left[ye^{x^2}\right]_x^1

outer integral

\int_0^1 e^{x^2} - xe^{x^2} dx

Which is still problematic, and happens with all changes to the order of integration

But e^{x^2} = e^{y^2} so we can just replace e^{y^2} with e^{x^2} in the original problematic integral.

So

2 \times \int_0^1 \int_0^x e^{x^2} dy dx = 2 \times \frac{1}{2}\left(e-1\right) = e - 1

Or

2 \times \int_0^1 \int_0^y e^{y^2} dx dy = 2 \times \frac{1}{2}\left(e-1\right) = e - 1

Anyhow, I wanted to get an approx. verification of this is Matlab.

The code I used to generate that graph is

[x,y] = meshgrid(0:0.01:1,0:0.01:1); % 0.01 increments
z = max(x^2,y^2);
surf(x,y,z)

so, I figure for a good approximation of the volume under that surface should be

sum(sum(z.*0.0001)); % element-wise multiplication of z by 0.01 x 0.01

But this gives 0.513433500000000 which is not e - 1.

Is my analytic solution incorrect or my numeric approximation method? Or both?
 
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kostoglotov said:
[x,y] = meshgrid(0:0.01:1,0:0.01:1); % 0.01 increments
z = max(x^2,y^2);
surf(x,y,z)

I'm not familiar with Matlab, but didn't you forgot the exponential in the definition of z ?
 
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There is no exponential. The purpose of the graph was just to see where x^2 was larger and where y^2 was larger.

Though that was not really necessary. Since both integrals are from 0 to 1, both x and y are always positive and so x^2= y^2 means x= y. max(x^2, y^2)= x if and only if x> y and max(x^2, y^2)= y if and only if x< y. So the integral, \int_0^1\int_0^1 e^{ax(x^2, y^2)} dxdy can be written \int_0^1 \int_0^x e^{x^2} dydx+ \int_0^1 \int_x^1 e^{y^2} dydx.

However, x= y only on the boundary not everywhere in the region of integration so e^{x^2} is NOT always equal to e^{y^2}. Perhaps you simply meant to appeal to symmetry to say that the two integrals are the same?
 
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Dansuer said:
I'm not familiar with Matlab, but didn't you forgot the exponential in the definition of z ?

I absolutely did..Ok...this is the second time this week that my reading comprehension has brought me to PF...maybe I can build some sort of mechanical hand to slap me in the face if I don't proof read...thanks
 
Dansuer said:
I'm not familiar with Matlab, but didn't you forgot the exponential in the definition of z ?

Update, making that correction to the code makes the numeric and analytic answers line up. Thanks for your help :)
 

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