Multiple integrals - volume of part of a unit sphere

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The discussion revolves around finding the volume of a specific portion of a unit sphere defined by the spherical coordinate angle constraints 0 < theta < alpha. Participants are exploring the implications of these constraints and the appropriate coordinate transformations needed for the problem.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the correct interpretation of spherical coordinates and the meaning of the angle constraints. There are attempts to clarify the equations involved and the necessary conversions to polar or spherical coordinates. Questions arise regarding the limits of integration and the setup of the integral.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations of the problem being explored. Some participants are questioning the conventions used for spherical coordinates, while others are attempting to establish the correct bounds for integration. Guidance has been offered regarding the differential volume element in spherical coordinates.

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There is uncertainty regarding the definitions of the angles theta and alpha in the context of spherical coordinates, as well as the participant's familiarity with these concepts. The problem's requirements and the participants' understanding of the necessary mathematical tools are also under discussion.

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Find the volume of that portion of a unit sphere for which 0<theta<alpha, where theta is one of the spherical coordinates

So i know the equation is z^2 = x^2 + y^2 , but what is the meaning of 0<theta<alpha?
where do i start? I know i must convert to polar coordinates.
z^2 = r^2
 
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braindead101 said:
Find the volume of that portion of a unit sphere for which 0<theta<alpha, where theta is one of the spherical coordinates

So i know the equation is z^2 = x^2 + y^2

Are you sure that's the equation of a unit sphere?


but what is the meaning of 0<theta<alpha?
where do i start? I know i must convert to polar coordinates.

You are going to need to check what conventions you are using in your book or course for the angles in spherical coordinates. (Unhappily, there are a number of versions.) Is theta the "polar angle" or co-latitude? Is alpha the "azimuthal" angle? Or is it vice versa? Conventionally, both angles generally are started from zero. They want you to look at the region where alpha must be larger than theta, but which angle is which is going to make a difference!
 
oh sorry z^2 = x^2 + y^2 - 1
so z^2 = r^2 - 1
will i need to isolate for z?

it doesn't say, it just says it is from polar rectangle
but it states that: if f is continuous on a polar rectangle R given by 0<=a<=r<=b, alpha <=theta<=beta, where 0<=beta - alpha <= 2pi, then
[tex]\int\int_{R} f(x,y) dA = \int^{\beta}_{\alpha}\int^{b}_{a} f( rcos \vartheta , r sin\vartheta ) r dr d\vartheta[/tex]
 
braindead101 said:
oh sorry z^2 = x^2 + y^2 - 1

z^2 = 1 - (x^2 + y^2)
so z^2 = 1 - r^2


will i need to isolate for z?

You will if you do this in Cartesian coordinates.

it doesn't say, it just says it is from polar rectangle
but it states that: if f is continuous on a polar rectangle R given by 0<=a<=r<=b, alpha <=theta<=beta, where 0<=beta - alpha <= 2pi, then
[tex]\int\int_{R} f(x,y) dA = \int^{\beta}_{\alpha}\int^{b}_{a} f( rcos \vartheta , r sin\vartheta ) r dr d\vartheta[/tex]

I think I have the picture now. The projected area onto the z = 0 plane is a section of an annulus. The annulus is bounded by
a <= r <= b (a and b positive -- I would presume also that a and b are < 1). The section is in turn bounded by rays from the origin in the directions (alpha) and (beta), such that beta - alpha is not more than 2pi. In other words, your section could be the whole annulus (beta - alpha = 2pi) or some smaller angular section down to nothing at all (alpha = beta).

It sounds like what remains for the integration is to set up the appropriate bound at the surface of the sphere.
 
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so for r the bounds are 0<=r<=1 since it is unit sphere, but what about theta? 0<=theta<=2pi ?
 
or is it 0<=theta<= alpha, and keep the unknown...
 
and my double integral is [tex]\int^{2pi or\alpha ?}_{0}\int^{1}_{0} \sqrt{1-r^{2}} dr d\vartheta[/tex]
 
Well, having "[itex]2\pi[/itex] or [itex]\alpha[/itex]" in the integral is probably a mistake!
Your original problem said [itex]0< \theta< \alpha[/itex]. Don't you think it would be a good idea to do what you are told?

However, you are still making a serious error!
What you wrote before:
[tex]\int\int_{R} f(x,y) dA = \int^{\beta}_{\alpha}\int^{b}_{a} f( rcos \vartheta , r sin\vartheta ) r dr d\vartheta[/tex]
is for integrating in the plane in polar coordinates.

This a three-dimensional volume problem and the problem clearly said spherical coordinates, not polar coordinates!
 
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i have not learned spherical coordinates, what is this?
 
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Then go to your teacher and point out that he/she assigned a problem that specifically says to use "spherical coordinates" and that you have not yet learned about spherical coordinates. If nothing else, your teacher may be able to point out the classes you slept through!
 
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is it triple integral?
i have not fall asleep in any class
 
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ok so now i must find one more boundary. [tex]\int\int^{alpha}_{0}\int^{1}_{0} \sqrt{1-r^{2}} dr d\vartheta d\phi[/tex]

how do i find the limits of integration of phi?
 
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I didn't say you had fallen asleep! I just considered it as a possible reason why your teacher might assign an obvious spherical coordinates problem when you don't remember having learned about spherical coordinates.

[itex]\phi[/itex] measures the angle from the "north pole" (positive z-axis) to the "south pole" (negative z-axis). That's from 0 to [itex]\pi[/itex].

However, the "differential of volume" in spherical coordinates is NOT
[tex]\sqrt{1- r^2}drd\theta d\phi[/tex]

It is
[tex]\rho^2 sin(\phi) d\rho d\theta d\phi[/itex][/tex]
 
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So the integral is now: [tex]\int^{\pi}_{0}\int^{\alpha}_{0}\int^{1}_{0}\rho^2 sin(\phi) d\rho d\theta d\phi[/tex]
but why there is variable [tex]\alpha[/tex], so I will do it with [tex]\alpha[/tex] inside final answer?
 

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