Need help on a nonlinear first order DE question

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The discussion revolves around solving the nonlinear first-order differential equation (y^2+x^2+x)y'-y=0, with participants exploring various methods and transformations to approach the problem.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to find a solution through various methods but expresses difficulty. Some participants suggest rewriting the equation in an exact form and consider converting to polar coordinates as an alternative approach. Others discuss the implications of rewriting the equation in terms of y/x and integrating.

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Participants are actively exploring different methods to tackle the differential equation, with some providing guidance on potential transformations and interpretations. There is an ongoing exchange of ideas, but no consensus has been reached regarding a single approach.

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There is mention of converting the equation to polar coordinates and the challenges faced in solving the original equation. The discussion reflects a variety of interpretations and methods without resolving the problem.

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Hi Everyone

I tried all ways I can to solve (y^2+x^2+x)y'-y=0, but still cann't find a way to solve it.

Could anybody help on it?

Thank you very much!
 
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Try and get it exact. You can write it as:

[tex](y^2+x^2)dy+xdy-ydx=0[/tex]

Ok, divide by x^2 to get:

[tex]\left(1+\frac{y^2}{x^2}\right)dy+\frac{xdy-ydx}{x^2}=0[/tex]

bingo-bango right?
 
you wouldn't go one further?
 
Hi !
Another method consists in converting to polar coordinates, which leads to a linear ODE very easy to solve.
The result can be expressed on a parametric form : x=(c-t)/tan(t) , y= c-t
or as x fonction on y :
x = y / tan(c-y)
 
chief10 said:
you wouldn't go one further?

Well, one is a differential of just y and the other is a differential of the quantity y/x. So then if we have:

[tex]\left(1+\frac{y^2}{x^2}\right)dy+\frac{xdy-ydx}{x^2}=0[/tex]

we could re-write that as:

[tex]dy=\frac{d(y/x)}{1+\left(\frac{y}{x}\right)^2}[/tex]

Now, that right side is equivalent to the expression:

[tex]\frac{du}{f(u)}[/tex]

right? So we just integrate it:

[tex]\int dy=\int\frac{d(y/x)}{1+\left(\frac{y}{x}\right)^2}[/tex]

and get:

[tex]y=\arctan(y/x)+c[/tex]
 

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