Need help on a nonlinear first order DE question

In summary, the conversation is about solving the differential equation (y^2+x^2+x)y'-y=0 and various approaches to finding a solution. One method involves dividing by x^2 and another involves converting to polar coordinates. Ultimately, the conversation concludes with a solution expressed in parametric or implicit form.
  • #1
huaxue09
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Hi Everyone

I tried all ways I can to solve (y^2+x^2+x)y'-y=0, but still cann't find a way to solve it.

Could anybody help on it?

Thank you very much!
 
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  • #2
Try and get it exact. You can write it as:

[tex](y^2+x^2)dy+xdy-ydx=0[/tex]

Ok, divide by x^2 to get:

[tex]\left(1+\frac{y^2}{x^2}\right)dy+\frac{xdy-ydx}{x^2}=0[/tex]

bingo-bango right?
 
  • #3
you wouldn't go one further?
 
  • #4
Hi !
Another method consists in converting to polar coordinates, which leads to a linear ODE very easy to solve.
The result can be expressed on a parametric form : x=(c-t)/tan(t) , y= c-t
or as x fonction on y :
x = y / tan(c-y)
 
  • #5
chief10 said:
you wouldn't go one further?

Well, one is a differential of just y and the other is a differential of the quantity y/x. So then if we have:

[tex]\left(1+\frac{y^2}{x^2}\right)dy+\frac{xdy-ydx}{x^2}=0[/tex]

we could re-write that as:

[tex]dy=\frac{d(y/x)}{1+\left(\frac{y}{x}\right)^2}[/tex]

Now, that right side is equivalent to the expression:

[tex]\frac{du}{f(u)}[/tex]

right? So we just integrate it:

[tex]\int dy=\int\frac{d(y/x)}{1+\left(\frac{y}{x}\right)^2}[/tex]

and get:

[tex]y=\arctan(y/x)+c[/tex]
 

1. What is a nonlinear first order DE?

A nonlinear first order differential equation (DE) is an equation that involves a function and its derivative, where the function and/or its derivative are raised to a power, multiplied or divided by each other, or have other non-linear relationships. This makes the equation more complex and difficult to solve compared to a linear first order DE.

2. Why do we need help on a nonlinear first order DE question?

Solving nonlinear first order DEs can be challenging and requires a good understanding of mathematical concepts and techniques. It is not uncommon for students or researchers to encounter difficulties when trying to solve such equations, hence the need for help.

3. What are some common methods for solving nonlinear first order DEs?

Some common methods for solving nonlinear first order DEs include separation of variables, substitution, and using an integrating factor. These methods involve manipulating the equation into a more manageable form and using techniques such as integration to find the solution.

4. Can software or calculators be used to solve a nonlinear first order DE?

Yes, there are software programs and calculators that can solve nonlinear first order DEs. However, it is still important to have a good understanding of the mathematical concepts and techniques involved in solving these equations in order to interpret and verify the results.

5. Are there real-life applications of nonlinear first order DEs?

Yes, nonlinear first order DEs have various real-life applications in fields such as physics, engineering, biology, and economics. For example, they can be used to model the growth of populations, the spread of diseases, and the movement of fluids in pipes.

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