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The discussion revolves around understanding the concept of limits in calculus, specifically the condition that the limit of a function as it approaches a point equals the function's value at that point. Participants are exploring the implications of continuity and the conditions under which limits can be evaluated.

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  • Participants discuss the necessity of specific functions or properties to prove limits, question the general applicability of continuity, and explore various limit theorems. There is an examination of how to apply definitions and theorems to specific functions, such as linear and rational functions.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the nature of limits and continuity. Some have offered examples and reasoning related to specific functions, while others emphasize the need for careful consideration of the function's properties. There is no explicit consensus, but productive lines of inquiry are being explored.

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Participants note that not all functions are continuous, which complicates the proof of limits. The discussion also highlights the importance of understanding the definitions and properties of limits as outlined in their textbooks.

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Homework Statement


I don't know how to prove that the lim [itex]_{x-->a}[/itex] f(x) =f(a)

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basically how do we know that the limit of the function near a point a, is f(a). My textbook (Calculus Michael Spivak, 4th ed.) says that we prove this using theorem 2, which is the properties of limits...

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I really don't understand, the textbook says we can prove this directly, but it doesn't show it
 
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You need to have a particular function, not generic f(x), or at least you need to know some properties of the function to prove anything about its limits.
 
Saying that "[itex]\lim_{x\to a} f(x)= f(a)[/itex]" is the definition of "continuous at x= a" and the great majority of functions are NOT continuous so you certainly cannot prove that for all f.

How you would prove it for a specific function depends on the function, as well as what limit theorems you have learned.

For example, to prove that f(x)= 3x- 4 is continuous for all x, that is, to prove that [itex]\lim_{x\to a} 3x- 4= 3a- 4[/itex], directly from the definition, I would look at the definition of "[itex]\lim_{x\to a} f(x)[/itex]" and see that it involves "[itex]|f(x)- L|< \epsilon[/itex]". Here, f(x)= 3x- 4 and L, the limit I want to prove, is f(a)= 3a- 4. So I know that I need to look at |(3x-4)- (3a- 4)|= |3x- 3a|= 3|x- a|. And I need to prove that [itex]3|x- a|< \epsilon[/itex] as long as [itex]|x- a|< \delta[/itex] where I need to be able to choose a suitable [itex]\delta[/itex] for any given [itex]\epsilon[/itex]. Comparing "[itex]3|x-a|< \epsilon[/itex]" and "[itex]|x- a|< \delta[/itex]" it immediately occurs to me that I need to choose [itex]\delta= \epsilon/3[/itex] (or, strictly speaking any smaller number).

But if I have the "limit theorems" that
1) [itex]\lim_{x\to a} C= C[/itex] for any constant C
2) [itex]\lim_{x\to a} x= a[/itex]
(those are often called the "trivial limits")
3) if [itex]\lim_{x\to a} f(x)= F[/itex] and [itex]]\lim_{x\to a} g(x)= G[/itex], then [itex]\lim_{x\to a} (f+ g)(x)= F+ G[/itex]
4) if [itex]\lim_{x\to a} f(x)= F[/itex] and [itex]]\lim_{x\to a} g(x)= G[/itex], then [itex]\lim_{x\to a} (fg)(x)= FG[/itex]
5) if [itex]\lim_{x\to a} f(x)= F[/itex] and [itex]]\lim_{x\to a} g(x)= G[/itex], AND [itex]G\ne 0[/itex], then [itex]\lim_{x\to a} (f/g)(x)= F/G[/itex]

I can immediately say that [itex]\lim_{x\to a} 3x- 4= (lim_{x\to a}3)(\lim_{x\to a}x)+ (\lim_{x\to a} -4)= 3a- 4[/itex]

If I also know the very important but often overlooked limit theorem
6) If f(x)= g(x) for all x close to but NOT equal to a, then [itex]\lim_{x\to a}f(x)= \lim_{x\to a} g(x)[/itex]

I can argue that, for x not equal to a, [itex](x^2- a^2)(x- a)= x+ a[/itex] so that [itex]\lim_{x\to a}(x^2- a^2)/(x- a)= \lim_{x\to a} x+ a= 2a[/itex]. (Which I could NOT do using (5) because the denominator goes to 0.)
So that I have proved that the function "[itex]f(x)= (x^2- a^2)/(x- a)[/itex] as long as [itex]x\ne a[/tex] and f(a)= 2a" is continuous at x= a.[/itex]
 
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HallsofIvy said:
Saying that "[itex]\lim_{x\to a} f(x)= f(a)[/itex]" is the definition of "continuous at x= a" and the great majority of functions are NOT continuous so you certainly cannot prove that for all f.

How you would prove it for a specific function depends on the function, as well as what limit theorems you have learned.

For example, to prove that f(x)= 3x- 4 is continuous for all x, that is, to prove that [itex]\lim_{x\to a} 3x- 4= 3a- 4[/itex], directly from the definition, I would look at the definition of "[itex]\lim_{x\to a} f(x)[/itex]" and see that it involves "[itex]|f(x)- L|< \epsilon[/itex]". Here, f(x)= 3x- 4 and L, the limit I want to prove, is f(a)= 3a- 4. So I know that I need to look at |(3x-4)- (3a- 4)|= |3x- 3a|= 3|x- a|. And I need to prove that [itex]3|x- a|< \epsilon[/itex] as long as [itex]|x- a|< \delta[/itex] where I need to be able to choose a suitable [itex]\delta[/itex] for any given [itex]\epsilon[/itex]. Comparing "[itex]3|x-a|< \epsilon[/itex]" and "[itex]|x- a|< \delta[/itex]" it immediately occurs to me that I need to choose [itex]\delta= \epsilon/3[/itex] (or, strictly speaking any smaller number).

But if I have the "limit theorems" that
1) [itex]\lim_{x\to a} C= C[/itex] for any constant C
2) [itex]\lim_{x\to a} x= a[/itex]
(those are often called the "trivial limits")
3) if [itex]\lim_{x\to a} f(x)= F[/itex] and [itex]]\lim_{x\to a} g(x)= G[/itex], then [itex]\lim_{x\to a} (f+ g)(x)= F+ G[/itex]
4) if [itex]\lim_{x\to a} f(x)= F[/itex] and [itex]]\lim_{x\to a} g(x)= G[/itex], then [itex]\lim_{x\to a} (fg)(x)= FG[/itex]
5) if [itex]\lim_{x\to a} f(x)= F[/itex] and [itex]]\lim_{x\to a} g(x)= G[/itex], AND [itex]G\ne 0[/itex], then [itex]\lim_{x\to a} (f/g)(x)= F/G[/itex]

I can immediately say that [itex]\lim_{x\to a} 3x- 4= (lim_{x\to a}3)(\lim_{x\to a}x)+ (\lim_{x\to a} -4)= 3a- 4[/itex]

If I also know the very important but often overlooked limit theorem
6) If f(x)= g(x) for all x close to but NOT equal to a, then [itex]\lim_{x\to a}f(x)= \lim_{x\to a} g(x)[/itex]

I can argue that, for x not equal to a, [itex](x^2- a^2)(x- a)= x+ a[/itex] so that [itex]\lim_{x\to a}(x^2- a^2)/(x- a)= \lim_{x\to a} x+ a= 2a[/itex]. (Which I could NOT do using (5) because the denominator goes to 0.)
So that I have proved that the function "[itex]f(x)= (x^2- a^2)/(x- a)[/itex] as long as [itex]x\ne a[/tex] and f(a)= 2a" is continuous at x= a.[/itex]
[itex] <br /> Thank you for the clear explanation[/itex]
 

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