Calculators Need help using scientific calculator

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The discussion primarily revolves around solving mathematical expressions and using calculators effectively. A specific example involves calculating the fourth root of -81, with clarification that entering "-4 square root sign 81" is not feasible on a basic calculator. The conversation also touches on exponentiation, particularly simplifying expressions like (49x^8y^-2z^6)^(1/2) and correcting misunderstandings regarding the source of exponents. The use of logarithms is highlighted for solving equations like 9,765,625 = 5^n, emphasizing the formula n = log y / log x. Additionally, there is a strong recommendation against using "4 square root" terminology for fourth roots to avoid confusion. The importance of proper simplification techniques in algebra is stressed, with guidance on avoiding incorrect cancellation of terms in fractions. Overall, the thread emphasizes the need for clarity in mathematical expressions and the correct application of algebraic rules.
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-81^(1/4)
= -4square root sign 81
=-3

how do i key this into my calculator:
= "-4square root sign 81"

*note I am working with a $20 casio*

thanks

~Amy
 
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81

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0.25
 
i see how to work it that way.. but i can't type in "-4square root sign 81", or is that not possible? (im just trying to follow how to do they do it in the book.. i realize both things lead to the right answer)

also

(49x^8y^-2z^6)^(1/2)
=7x^4y-1z^3
=7x^6 * (1/y) * z^3

where does the ^6 come from, or is that a typo in my lesson book?

~Amy
 
It depends if your calculator has DAL or not. With an old style calculator, you'd need to enter "8, 1, +/-, y^x, (, 1, /, 4, ), =", with a DAL one you'd enter "-, 8, 1, y^x, (, 1, /, 4, ), =".
 
ok

here's another one 9,765,625 = 5^n
n = ?

*n = 10*.. but how would i have figured this out using my calculator?

~Amy
 
That requires the use of the "log" button.

n = log 9765625 / log 5
n = 10[/color]
The generalization of this rule is...

If ... x^n = y,
Then ... n = log y / log x.​
This is taught in Grade 12 where I live, so I can assume that you don't need to worry about why or how.
 
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thank you! it works. funny the lesson book doesn't mention log calculations.

~Amy
 
Please, please, please! Do NOT use "4 square root" for fourth root. It confuses you as well as the people you are talking to (and has been known to cause some math teachers to foam at the mouth).
 
Please, please, please! Do NOT use "4 square root" for fourth root. It confuses you as well as the people you are talking to (and has been known to cause some math teachers to foam at the mouth).
thanks, i ll try to remember.

here's one involving exponents.. is my answer in the lowest term or is there more that could be done?

((2^-3 + 5^0)/ (2^-5))^(1/2)

= ((9/8)^(1/2))/ (1/32)

~Amy
 
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Not at all, you can reduce it completely. Also, your second step is incorrect as you forgot to square root the denominator. Here's my solution:

\begin{equation*}<br /> \begin{split}<br /> (\frac{2^{-3} + 5^{0}}{2^{-5}})^{\frac{1}{2}} &amp;= \frac{\frac{9}{8}^{\frac{1}{2}}}{\frac{1}{32}^{\frac{1}{2}}}\\<br /> \\<br /> &amp;= (\frac{3}{\sqrt{8}}) (\frac{\sqrt{32}}{1})\\<br /> \\<br /> &amp;= \frac{3\sqrt{4}\sqrt{8}}{\sqrt{8}}\\<br /> \\<br /> &amp;= 6<br /> \end{split}<br /> \end{equation*}
 
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  • #11
thanks. i did it 'the amy way' and got the same answer. just converted the numbers to normal numbers (1.125/0.03125)^(1/2).

also, is there any way to convert this to something like this: (so you can just figure it out be crossing out the like numbers):

[((1/2)(1/2)(1/2) + 1)/ ((1/2)(1/2)(1/2)(1/2)(1/2))] ^ (1/2)

= [1/(1/2)(1/2)]^(1/2)??

with that i end up with = 2. why is that method not working??

~Amy
 
  • #12
No... \frac{a + b}{(a)(c)} is not the same as \frac{b}{c}. Although that's what your solution suggests; you cancel out the (1/2), even though you have two separate terms in the numerator. It doesn't make sense to be able to cancel out the a's when their weight on the equation is inequivilent.

I suggest that you practice simplifying these algebraic equations (as I showed in my last post), learn the rules of Math, and prevent yourself from following these techniques blindly. If you don't fix your presumptious tuitions of what you can do to an equation, you're going to run into some painful potholes down the rode.
 
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  • #13
thanks for the tips. i somewhat see what you're saying. i should go over my lesson books again. I am doing this as a study-at-home course so that's part of the problem (me teaching myself)

i appreciate the help.

~Amy
 

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