# Need help with complicated algebra for graduate engineering course

1. Sep 22, 2010

### blue mango

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
w=(PI*(P0-PL)*R^4*epsilon^3*row)/6*mu*L)*(1-1/2*epsilon)

show that this can be obtained using
w=(PI*(P0-PL)*R^4*row)/8*mu*L)*((1-kappa^4)-((1-kappa^2)^2/ln(1/kappa))
by setting kappa equal to 1-epsilon and expanding the expression for w in powers of epsilon. this requires using the Taylor series ln(1-epsilon)=-epsilon-1/2*epsilon^2-1/3*epsilon^3-...

3. The attempt at a solution

so far I have plugged in 1-epsilon for all the kappas, expanded everything and canceled what I could and have ended up with this:
w=(PI*(P0-PL)*R^4*row)/8*mu*L)*epsilon*((-3*x^6+8*x^5-8*x^4+40*x^2-96*x+96)/(3*x^3+4*x^2+6*x+12))

I found an online polynomial long division calculator but I still end up with a jumbled mess. I was wondering if anyone had any ideas or did I make a mistake in the middle somewhere and that is why things aren't turning out nicely. Thanks so much.

2. Sep 22, 2010

### Awatarn

It's would be nice if you use LaTex.
You might check your answer by using Mathematica. It's really useful program.

3. Sep 22, 2010

### marcusl

What is x? Do you mean epsilon?
Apply the binomial expansion to the denominator so everything is in the numerator.
And, yes, Latex would be a big improvement )

4. Sep 22, 2010

### vela

Staff Emeritus
Expand it piece by piece to keep things manageable. What are the expansions about $\epsilon=0$ of

\begin{align*} 1-\kappa^4 &= 1-(1-\epsilon)^4 \\ (1-\kappa^2)^2 &= [1-(1-\epsilon)^2]^2 \\ \log(1/\kappa) &= \log(1/(1-\epsilon)) \end{align*}

The first two are just polynomials, so you can multiply them out.

5. Sep 22, 2010

### blue mango

I did this and that is how I ended up with the big jumbled mess of a polynomial that I have now. And yes x does mean epsilon.

6. Sep 22, 2010

### vela

Staff Emeritus
So show us what you got before you did any simplifications and perhaps tell us what you tried next. This problem is just essentially doing algebra, so if you need advice on how to do it, you need to show us your actual work. Right now, all we can tell you is you made an algebra mistake somewhere.

7. Sep 22, 2010

### blue mango

Here is what I started with:
[PLAIN]http://www.texify.com/img/%5CLARGE%5C%21w%3D%5Cpi%28P_0-P_L%29R%5E4%5Cvarrho/8%5Cmu%20L%29%5Cleft%5B%20%281-%281-%5Cvarepsilon%29%5E4%29-%28%281-%281-%5Cvarepsilon%29%29%5E2%29/%28ln%281/%281-%5Cvarepsilon%29%29%5Cright%5D.gif [Broken]

Here is what I have now:
<img alt="w=\pi(P_0-P_L)R^4\varrho/8\mu L)\varepsilon((-3\varepsilon^6+8\varepsilon^5-8\varepsilon^4+40\varepsilon^2-96\varepsilon+96)/(3\varepsilon^3+4\varepsilon^2+6\varepsilon+12))" src=[PLAIN]http://www.texify.com/img/%5CLARGE%5C%21w%3D%5Cpi%28P_0-P_L%29R%5E4%5Cvarrho/8%5Cmu%20L%29%5Cvarepsilon%28%28-3%5Cvarepsilon%5E6%2B8%5Cvarepsilon%5E5-8%5Cvarepsilon%5E4%2B40%5Cvarepsilon%5E2-96%5Cvarepsilon%2B96%29/%283%5Cvarepsilon%5E3%2B4%5Cvarepsilon%5E2%2B6%5Cvarepsilon%2B12%29%29.gif [Broken][/URL] align=center border=0><img alt="w=\pi(P_0-P_L)R^4\varrho/8\mu L)\varepsilon((-3\varepsilon^6+8\varepsilon^5-8\varepsilon^4+40\varepsilon^2-96\varepsilon+96)/(3\varepsilon^3+4\varepsilon^2+6\varepsilon+12))" src=[PLAIN]http://www.texify.com/img/%5CLARGE%5C%21w%3D%5Cpi%28P_0-P_L%29R%5E4%5Cvarrho/8%5Cmu%20L%29%5Cvarepsilon%28%28-3%5Cvarepsilon%5E6%2B8%5Cvarepsilon%5E5-8%5Cvarepsilon%5E4%2B40%5Cvarepsilon%5E2-96%5Cvarepsilon%2B96%29/%283%5Cvarepsilon%5E3%2B4%5Cvarepsilon%5E2%2B6%5Cvarepsilon%2B12%29%29.gif [Broken][/URL] align=center border=0><img alt="w=\pi(P_0-P_L)R^4\varrho/8\mu L)\varepsilon((-3\varepsilon^6+8\varepsilon^5-8\varepsilon^4+40\varepsilon^2-96\varepsilon+96)/(3\varepsilon^3+4\varepsilon^2+6\varepsilon+12))" src=[PLAIN]http://www.texify.com/img/%5CLARGE%5C%21w%3D%5Cpi%28P_0-P_L%29R%5E4%5Cvarrho/8%5Cmu%20L%29%5Cvarepsilon%28%28-3%5Cvarepsilon%5E6%2B8%5Cvarepsilon%5E5-8%5Cvarepsilon%5E4%2B40%5Cvarepsilon%5E2-96%5Cvarepsilon%2B96%29/%283%5Cvarepsilon%5E3%2B4%5Cvarepsilon%5E2%2B6%5Cvarepsilon%2B12%29%29.gif [Broken][/URL] align=center border=0>

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8. Sep 22, 2010

### vela

Staff Emeritus
Enclose LaTeX code in between [ tex] and [ /tex] tags (without spaces) to get it to render. There's a bug in the forum where the preview shows the wrong image. Just reload the page to get the images update.

Again, I'll note that showing what you started with and then the final mess without showing any intermediate steps isn't helpful at all.