Need help with Schrödinger and some integration

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The discussion revolves around calculating the integral of a wave function, specifically the expression for <x^2> using the provided wave function ##\psi_2##. The user is confused about how to substitute the complex conjugate ##\psi^*_2## and whether it involves any modifications to the original wave function. Clarifications are provided that ##\psi^*_2## is indeed the complex conjugate of ##\psi_2##, and it is emphasized that the integral of a product cannot be simplified into the product of integrals. The user seeks guidance on how to perform the integration and correctly substitute the necessary components. Understanding the concept of complex conjugation is also highlighted as a key step in the process.
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My wave function:
##\psi_2=N_2 (4y^2-1) e^{-y^2/2}.##
Definition of some parts in the wavefunction ##y=x/a##, ##a= \left( \frac{\hbar}{mk} \right)##, ##N_2 = \sqrt{\frac{1}{8a\sqrt{\pi}}}## and x has an arrange from ##\pm 20\cdot 10^{-12}##.
Here is my integral:
##<x^2> = \int\limits_{-\infty}^{\infty}\psi_2^*x^2\psi_2dx.##
It should integrate it directly or with Hermite polynomials: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermite_polynomials
I don't know how to do that. And I does ##\psi_2^*## mean it is conjugated? Really need some help here. I don't know how to start. If someone could help me, it would be great!
Thank you very much in advance!
 
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Basip said:
I don't know how to do that.

What, specifically, do you not know how to do? What to substitute for ##\psi_2##? What to substitute for ##\psi^*_2##? How to evaluate the resulting integral?

Basip said:
does ψ∗2\psi_2^* mean it is conjugated?


Yes, ##\psi^*_2## is the complex conjugate of ##\psi_2##.
 
jtbell said:
What, specifically, do you not know how to do? What to substitute for ##\psi_2##? What to substitute for ##\psi^*_2##? How to evaluate the resulting integral?
Yes, ##\psi^*_2## is the complex conjugate of ##\psi_2##.
I don't what I should substitute ##\psi^*_2## with. ##\psi_2## would I substitute with the ##\psi_2## function and Integrate for the limits ##\pm \infty## (of course ##dx##). The same would I do with ##x^2##. I would do the same with ##\psi^*_2## and at the end I would * them together. Is it correct or totally wrong?

But still I don't know how to substitue ##\psi^*_2##.
 
Basip said:
I don't what I should substitute ##\psi^*_2## with. ##\psi_2## would I substitute with the ##\psi_2## function and Integrate for the limits ##\pm \infty## (of course ##dx##). The same would I do with ##x^2##. I would do the same with ##\psi^*_2## and at the end I would * them together. Is it correct or totally wrong?
That doesn't work: the integral of a product is not equal to the product of integrals. Try it for yourself: is ##\int x^2 dx = (\int x dx)^2## true?

Basip said:
But still I don't know how to substitue ##\psi^*_2##.
What is the complex conjugate of ##\psi^*_2##?
 
DrClaude said:
That doesn't work: the integral of a product is not equal to the product of integrals. Try it for yourself: is ##\int x^2 dx = (\int x dx)^2## true?What is the complex conjugate of ##\psi^*_2##?

I don't know what the complex conjugate og ##\psi^*_2## is. How to figure it out? I know what ##\psi_2## is.

When I know what ##\psi_2^*## is, I should just put it in the formula, insert the ##\psi_2## in the formula, find the product and then integrate, am I right?

But what is the complex conjugate of ##\psi_2##? How to figure it out? What is ##\psi_2^*## equal with when I know ##\psi_2##? But in this case ... is ##\psi^*_2 =\psi^2##?
 
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Generally speaking, how does one do complex conjugation?
 
Basip said:
But in this case ... is ##\psi^*_2 =\psi^2##?

No, but if you make a small change to the right side it will be correct!
 
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