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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility and options for using a generator (dynamo) at extremely high rotational speeds, specifically 100,000 RPM, with a focus on practical applications and alternative solutions. Participants explore theoretical limits, practical speeds, and the types of generators or motors that could be utilized in such scenarios.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the power requirements for the generator.
  • Another participant questions the practicality of connecting a generator to a turbocharger, noting that typical jet engines do not reach such high RPMs.
  • Concerns are raised about the mechanical stress at 100,000 RPM, with suggestions that a reduction gear may be necessary and that a permanent magnet generator could be suitable.
  • Some participants mention that small motors used in hobby race cars might be relevant for such high speeds.
  • A later reply clarifies that 25,000 RPM is a more practical target, while 100,000 RPM is considered theoretical and likely unattainable without failure.
  • There are suggestions to consider electronics for generating AC power at high speeds, as even 100,000 RPM translates to a frequency of 1666 Hz.
  • Participants discuss various high-speed motors, including universal motors found in power tools and vacuum cleaners, and share personal experiences with overspeeding motors.
  • One participant suggests that for generating a high-powered sine wave, there may be easier methods than using a rotating machine, pointing to sine wave oscillators and audio amplifiers as alternatives.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of achieving 100,000 RPM with a generator, with some suggesting it is impractical while others explore the theoretical aspects. There is no consensus on the best approach or solution, and multiple competing ideas remain present in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to mechanical stress, the need for custom solutions, and the potential for electrical failure at high speeds. The discussion also reflects varying levels of experience and knowledge regarding high-speed motors and generators.

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Hey all,
I was floating around and found this forum very very much helpful and informative... So i thought to post a question here which i was searching all over and didnt found any good answer..
I m searching for a generator (dynamo) that i would be using at around 100,000 RPM...
Plz help if anyone knows about it!
Thankssssss a lot in advance...
waiting eagarly for reply... :confused:
 
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how much power?
 
You're planning to connect the generator to a turbocharger? Even jet engines don't reach (that I know of) such high rpm.
 
100,000 RPM? What spins that fast?

A super high horsepower race engine that runs on gas maxes out at around 9,000 RPM before it tears itself apart.

Explain your application in much more detail!
 
Would want a reduction gear on that - probably best is a PM Generator - and can be made with very small rotor diameter - but still due to the rotating mass, 100K will probably be to much mechanical stress.
Ok - no matter what - this would need to be custom = $$$$
 
look into the small motors used in hobby race cars and such.
 
Ok let's cut that short...

1. The power i neeed is of no specific limitations.. (probably the maximum power i can get? :S)

2. 25,000 Rpm is practical speed i m seeking for... 100k was theoretical speed as it can't be reached...

Is there any Dynamo or something else that can undergo that much speed withouht any mechanical or electrical failurre??
Please Helpppppp
 
At that speed, you can look to electronics to generate AC power.

Even 100000 RPM is only 1666 Hz which is easily done with electronics.
 
vk6kro said:
At that speed, you can look to electronics to generate AC power.

Even 100000 RPM is only 1666 Hz which is easily done with electronics.

Kindly elaborate a little more... please..
 
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25,000 Rpm is practical speed i m seeking for... 100k was theoretical speed as it can't be reached...

some power tools that run at that sort of speed.

look at nameplate on a router next time you're in home supply store. thay are a "universal" motor and if you excite the field yourself with DC, it'll make DC when you spin it.

vacuum cleaners are another high speed universal motor but i do not know what is typical for them.
if you have ability to spin one, experiment but first time - COVER IT and STAND CLEAR. when i was about eleven i oversped one and buried chunks in floor and wall of my bedroom. miraculously we kids had no body parts in the way.

little racecar motors also run at those speeds. check local hobby shop or Tower Hobbies online.
 
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waleed_soomro said:
Kindly elaborate a little more... please..

You would need to give some idea of what you are trying to do, but if you want a high powered sinewave, then there are easier ways of getting one than using a rotating machine.

This site has some sinewave oscillators:
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=...F&biw=1099&bih=640&sei=Ts4MT_2lFKGaiQfho9DeBQ

And this site has some audio amplifiers which could take the output of a sinewave oscillator and amplfy it:

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=....,cf.osb&fp=be6d54ab42ee3735&biw=1099&bih=640

Most of the amplifiers are meant for driving a speaker, though, so this may depend on your application.
 

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