Net Electric field inside a conductor=0

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of electric fields within conductors, specifically addressing the apparent contradiction between the zero electric field inside a conductor in electrostatic conditions and the flow of electrons when a potential difference is applied. The scope includes theoretical considerations, conceptual clarifications, and implications of Ohm's Law.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how electrons can flow in a conductor when the net electric field is zero, suggesting that an electric field is necessary for electron movement.
  • Another participant clarifies that E=0 applies in the static case after electron movement has occurred.
  • A third participant notes that in a perfect conductor, electrons would only travel on the surface, not within the conductor itself.
  • One participant references Gauss' Law and discusses the implications of charge density on the electric field, initially suggesting a misunderstanding about constant electric fields within conductors.
  • Another participant explains that in electrostatics, the electric field must vanish in conductors due to Ohm's Law, stating that if current is zero, then the electric field must also be zero.
  • A later reply asserts that if a current is flowing, there will generally be an electric field present, seeking confirmation from others on this point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions under which the electric field inside a conductor is zero, particularly in static versus dynamic situations. There is no consensus on the implications of these conditions for electron flow.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of perfect versus real conductors, the conditions of electrostatics versus dynamic situations, and the assumptions regarding charge distribution and current flow.

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If the net electric field inside a conductor is zero, how come electrons flow on applying potential difference across it? What force acts on the electrons? We've been taught that
an electric field E sets up, so the force on electrons is eE (e=charge on electron).
acceleration a=eE/m (m=mass of electron)
and then they calculated drift velocity. But by Gauss' Law, Electric field inside a conductor is zero, so thre must be no force on the electrons.
 
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E=0 in the static case after the movement of the electrons.
 
a) that is only for a perfect conductor :)

b) given a perfect conductor, the electrons will travel only on it's surface, not inside it.
 
[tex]\nabla \cdot \vec{E} = \frac{\rho}{\varepsilon_0}[/tex]
(where [itex]\rho[/itex] is the charge density)
so this means that the divergence of the electric field is constant within the conductor. Surely this allows a constant electric field throughout the conductor?

Edit: I'm being stupid. This would only allow a constant electric field if the total charge density is zero. But I guess this is true in conductors where there are both positive and negative charges.
 
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In electrostatics, i.e., in the case of time-independent fields and charge distribution and the absense of currents, the electric field in conductors, no matter whether they are ideal or resitive, must vanish because of Ohm's Law,

[tex]\vec{j}=\sigma \vec{E}.[/tex]

Since [itex]\vec{j}=0[/itex] for [itex]\sigma \neq 0[/itex] one must have [itex]\vec{E}=0.[/itex]

In any other cases, one has to determine the electric field inside conductors by the general boundary and initial conditions, necessary for the unique solution of Maxwell's Equations.
 
So to directly answer the OP: If a conductor has no currents flowing through it, then there is no electric field inside the conductor. And if there is a current flowing, there generally will be an electric field.
This sound right to everyone?
 

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