Newton's Method General Formula

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around using Newton's Method to approximate the fourth root of a number, specifically \(\sqrt[4]{100}\). Participants explore the function \(f(x) = x^n - a\) and its derivative, while addressing the implications of the fundamental theorem of algebra regarding the number of solutions to the equation \(x^4 - 100 = 0\).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the setup of Newton's Method and the correct substitution of values for \(n\) and \(a\). There are questions about the convergence of their approximations and the correct interpretation of the results. Some express confusion regarding the notation used for iterations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have confirmed their understanding of the initial setup and are working on generating approximations. Others are experiencing difficulties with convergence and are seeking clarification on their calculations. There is an acknowledgment of multiple interpretations regarding the solutions to the polynomial equation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential confusion arising from the use of the variable \(n\) for both the degree of the polynomial and the iteration count. There is also mention of the requirement to find all solutions to the equation, with some participants questioning the nature of the additional solutions.

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Homework Statement



The statement [itex]\sqrt[4]{a}=x[/itex] means that [itex]x^{n}=a[/itex].

Using this, we can approximate the radical [itex]\sqrt[n]{a}[/itex] by approximating the

solution to the equation [itex]x^{n}-a=0[/itex].

Consider the function [itex]f(x)=x^{n}-a[/itex].

We can use Newton's Method to approximate where f(x)=0 and thus approximate the radical

[itex]\sqrt[n]{a}[/itex].


a) Use Newton's Method with the function [itex]f(x)=x^{n}-a[/itex]

to obtain a general formula approximating [itex]\sqrt[4]{a}[/itex].


b) Enter [itex]\sqrt[4]{100}[/itex] using your calculator and give the approximation to the

accuracy found by your calculator.


c) Use the formula found in (a) and make a table of values to approximate

[itex]\sqrt[4]{100}[/itex] to the same accuracy as your calculator. Use 3

as your initial guess.


d) How many iterations are required to obtain this same accuracy?


e)The fundamental theorem of algebra guarantees 4 solutions to x^4-100=0.

you just found one. Are there more real solutions? Use your tools of calculus to sustain

your answer.


Homework Equations



[itex]x_{2}=x_{1}-\frac{f(x_{1}}{f'(x_{1}}[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



a)[itex]f(x)=x^{n}-a[/itex]

Am I supposed to assume a is constant here? If so, then:

[itex]f '(x)=nx^{n-1}[/itex]

[itex]x_{2}=x_{1}-\frac{x^{n}-a}{nx^{n-1}}[/itex]


b) Easy enough, plugged it into the calc to get 3.16227766.


c) I want to make sure I have part a) right before making a chart.


d) This will be simple after part c)


e) I can tell I will be stuck on this final part. Any tips to help me get started?
 
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Hi crybllrd! :smile:

You have (a) right!
Just fill in n=4 and a=100 and you're good to go!

Cheers! :wink:
 
Thanks for the reply.

I'm working on part c). She has a set up a chart like this:

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I guess I'm confused as to where I use n=4 and n=iteration
 
crybllrd said:
I guess I'm confused as to where I use n=4 and n=iteration

Yes. It's a pity n is used for 2 different things.

Let's just say that the n in your formula needs to be replaced by 4, while all the occurrences of n in your table should have been named k or i.
 
Oh ok, not sure why my teacher would do that to us :P

However, my numbers are not converging.

My n=1 is 3.175925926

n=2 is 2.986439461

n=3 is 3.191986488

n=4 is 2.970703369

I stopped there because they should be converging to 3.16227766.

Here's what I am using:

f(x)=x^4-100

f '(x)=4x^3

so, [itex]x-\frac{x^{4}-100}{4x^{3}}[/itex], where x is the previous approximation (x1=3)

Am I missing something?
 
crybllrd said:
Oh ok, not sure why my teacher would do that to us :P

However, my numbers are not converging.

My n=1 is 3.175925926

n=2 is 2.986439461

n=3 is 3.191986488

n=4 is 2.970703369

I stopped there because they should be converging to 3.16227766.

Here's what I am using:

f(x)=x^4-100

f '(x)=4x^3

so, [itex]x-\frac{x^{4}-100}{4x^{3}}[/itex], where x is the previous approximation (x1=3)

Am I missing something?

Not sure what you did, because starting from n=2 I get a different sequence, which is converging.

To make it explicit:

[itex]x_{k+1} = x_k-\frac{{x_k}^{4}-100}{4{x_k}^{3}}[/itex]

and

[itex]3.1759-\frac{3.1759^{4}-100}{4 \cdot 3.1759^{3}} = 3.162[/itex]
 
Not sure what I did either, but I redid it and got it in 3 iterations.

For the final part, I should have 4 solutions to x^4-100=0,

3.16227766 being one of them, and -3.16227766 would be another.

How would I go about getting the others? I'm assuming they are not real solutions.
 
crybllrd said:
Not sure what I did either, but I redid it and got it in 3 iterations.

For the final part, I should have 4 solutions to x^4-100=0,

3.16227766 being one of them, and -3.16227766 would be another.

How would I go about getting the others? I'm assuming they are not real solutions.

Quite right.

The other 2 roots are:
3.16227766 i
and
-3.16227766 i

where i is the imaginary constant, or sqrt(-1).

What they would have intended (I think), is that you can find the negative root from the fact that looking at the graph of y = x^4 - 100, you'll see 2 real solutions. ;)
 

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