Nodal Analysis for Energy Stored

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the application of the finite difference method to approximate the temperature response of a fin made of aluminum. Participants are addressing the formulation of equations for temperature nodes, stability conditions, and the use of transforms in the analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related, Technical explanation, Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the problem involving a fin with specific thermal properties and initial conditions, seeking to derive equations for temperature nodes using energy balances.
  • Another participant inquires about the definition of Fo, suggesting that it represents a combination of constants related to the problem's parameters.
  • A participant recommends using the z transform for stability analysis, proposing that it could yield algebraic equations for the unknown temperatures at nodes 2, 3, and 4.
  • There is a suggestion that the stability of one node could imply stability conditions for the others, prompting further reflection on the implications of node stability.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to agree on the need for a stable solution and the use of transforms, but there is no consensus on the specific approach to derive temperatures for nodes 2, 3, and 4, nor on the interpretation of Fo.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully defined all variables and constants, and the stability conditions remain unresolved. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the relationships between the node temperatures and the implications of stability across nodes.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and practitioners interested in numerical methods for heat transfer, particularly those working with finite difference methods and stability analysis in thermal systems.

chriskay301
Messages
9
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



The temperature response of a fin is to be approximated using the finite difference method. The fin is 3 cm long and has a square cross-section that is 5 mm on a side. The fin is aluminum, with thermal properties ρ=2700 kg/m3, k=200 W/(m-K), and c=900 J/(kg-K). The fin starts at a uniform initial temperature of 100°C, and is suddenly exposed to convection with h=30 W/(m2-K) and a freestream temperature of 15°C. During this process the base of the fin (node 1) remains at the initial temperature. (a) Discretize the fin into 4 nodes, and write the appropriate equations (using control volumes and energy balances) for the node temperatures using the explicit formulation for the spatial derivatives. (b) Determine the maximum timestep (dt) that would be allowable if the solution is to remain stable. (c) Using a computer program with graphing capability (Excel, Matlab, ??), plot the temperatures at each of the nodes versus x using the timestep from part (b) for t=0*dt (initial time), t=1*dt, t=2*dt, t=10*dt, and t=40*dt. Your graph should look something like the below figure.

Homework Equations


Node 1 = T1 = 100C
I have node 2, 3 and 4 equations which I know are correct.
Example. T^{n+1}_{2}=(1-2Fo)T^{n}_{2}+Fo(T^{n}_{1}+T^{n}_{3})

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that my equations for each node are right. But in order to solve the temp for T2 at n+1, I need the temp for T1, T2 and T3 at n. And I only know T1 at n. How would I get the other ones?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
What is Fo?

Initially, n=0 and all four T are at 100C.
Increment n one unit at a time to see the finite-difference equation progress.

For stability I would recommend the z transform and use the theorem pertaining to the roots of the transformed equation to ensure stability.
 
Thanks for the reply.

Fo is just something my teacher uses to represent a bunch of constants pretty much. like rho, h, k
 
OK.
I would consider using the z transform on all three equations (node 1 temp. is not a variable). That would give you 3 algebraic equations in 3 unknowns: T2, T3, T4.

Nice thing about the z transform is it automatically includes initial conditions, just as the Laplace does for continuous systems.

Question to yourself: if any of nodes 2, 3 or 4 is stable, what does that tell you about the other two nodes' stability?
 

Similar threads

Replies
15
Views
3K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
5K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
3K