Normal Subgroups intersection = <e>

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The discussion revolves around the properties of normal subgroups H and K within a group G, specifically focusing on the condition that their intersection is the identity element. Participants are tasked with demonstrating that elements from these subgroups commute.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the implications of normality and the intersection condition, questioning the validity of certain algebraic manipulations. There is a focus on the commutator and its role in establishing commutativity between elements of the subgroups.

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The discussion includes various attempts to understand the relationship between elements of H and K, with some participants suggesting the use of the commutator to clarify the situation. There is an acknowledgment of differing perspectives on the approach, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants note the potential lack of interest from the original poster, which may affect the progression of the discussion.

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Let H and K be normal subgroups of G such that H intersect K=<e>. Show that hk=kh for all h in H and k in K.
H and K are normal so ghg^-1 is in H and gkg^-1 is in K.
want to show hk=kh. So basically I'm showing this is abelian.
Can I do ghg^-1=gkg^-1?
ghg^-1g=gkg^-1g
gh=gk
so that works if g=h
 
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Let h\in\ H with h\neq e, and let k\in\ K with k\neq e.

Then what can you say about khk^{-1}?
 
kathrynag said:
Let H and K be normal subgroups of G such that H intersect K=<e>. Show that hk=kh for all h in H and k in K.
H and K are normal so ghg^-1 is in H and gkg^-1 is in K.
want to show hk=kh. So basically I'm showing this is abelian.
Can I do ghg^-1=gkg^-1?
ghg^-1g=gkg^-1g
gh=gk
so that works if g=h

Hi kathrynag! :smile:

I don't see how what you did could be correct.

When showing commutativity it is often useful to look at the commutator.
The commutator of h and k is [h,k]=hkh-1k-1.
If the commutator of h and k is equal to e, than h and k commute (why?).

Suppose you write hk=k1h, which should be true for some k1 in K.
What do you get?
 
Oh, I just noticed that this is a pretty old thread.
I suspect that the OP is not interested in the answer anymore. :wink:
 

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