Nuclear Engineering - International Students

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the experiences and challenges faced by international students studying nuclear engineering (NE) in the United States, particularly regarding the sensitive nature of the field and potential restrictions. Participants share insights on educational opportunities, job prospects, and specific hurdles encountered by foreign students in NE programs.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern that international students may face difficulties due to the sensitive nature of nuclear engineering.
  • Others argue that there is no significant sensitivity in the material taught, suggesting that much of it is publicly available.
  • One participant mentions that while there are concerns about working for "non-friendly" countries, the government is already aware of students' backgrounds.
  • Another participant notes that while there are challenges, many foreign students are successfully studying NE in the US, with some universities actively recruiting them.
  • Job prospects for NE graduates are discussed, with some participants indicating a shortage of qualified engineers and a willingness from employers to hire international students.
  • Concerns are raised about specific restrictions, such as access to certain software or internships for international students, with examples provided from personal experiences.
  • One participant challenges the notion that nuclear weapon design is not taught in detail, citing the complexity involved and referencing recent events related to nuclear weapon failures.
  • Another participant mentions minor issues related to obtaining necessary codes for calculations, indicating that instructors are typically aware of these hurdles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of viewpoints, with some agreeing that challenges exist for international students while others downplay the severity of these challenges. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent of restrictions and the implications for students' education and career prospects.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include varying definitions of "sensitive" material, differing experiences among participants, and the potential for unaddressed assumptions about the nature of nuclear engineering education and employment opportunities.

wilsonchan
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Hi every one!

I got a question about studying nuclear engineering. Will international students encounter any difficulties when studying NE in US due to its sensitive nature? I am quite interested in NE, but I am afraid that there would be a lot of restrictions for international students in NE. Do you have any idea about this? Thank you!
 
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I can't see why there should be, after all, some students from the US may go on to work in other countries. There isn't (or I haven't run across) any material that is really sensitive, most of what I've learned can be found in a text avaliable anywhere in the world..
 
If you go to work for a "non-friendly" country to develop nuclear weapons after graduation, then the government will already know who you are and what you know.
 
Yes, but I haven't heard that anyone goes into that much detail teaching students how to build bombs. Besides, the hard part is aquiring the materials needed for a bomb, not designing one.
 
wilsonchan said:
Hi every one!

I got a question about studying nuclear engineering. Will international students encounter any difficulties when studying NE in US due to its sensitive nature? I am quite interested in NE, but I am afraid that there would be a lot of restrictions for international students in NE. Do you have any idea about this? Thank you!
No. As a matter of fact, the NE department where I studied had an active program of recruiting foreign students and encouraging US students to study at least one year abroad. We had some connections with foreign universities.

Most likely one would not be studying anything 'sensitive' in university.

I encounter quite a few foreign students in NE programs in the US.
 
how about finding NE related jobs in US?
 
wilsonchan said:
how about finding NE related jobs in US?
Not a problem. There is a shortage of qualified and experience NE's. One should have at least an MS degree.

The suppliers of the technology and the utilities are looking for skilled engineers.
 
The univeristy I am at will gladly accept international students. We have a guy from Russia and a couple folks from China right now. We had a guy who was a citizen of Peru last year. I am good friends with the guy from Peru, and I talk to the girl from China a lot as well as the Russian guy - it appears they don't have too much extra trouble with their studies. There are some things that came up though. ORNL wouldn't give the Russian guy a license to use MCNP5. Dont know how he completed those labs. My buddy from Peru couldn't get an internship anywhere because he wasnt a citizen. He ended up going to grad school, last I heard he was planning to apply to the IAEA. I have been interning at a national lab, and I never see foreign nationals over in the NE areas (they have special badges), and limited areas are off limits to them. The only place I have ever seen them working is in the molecular science or bio areas. Dont take it as gospel, this is just what I have observed on my own. We had a tour of Areva, and they told one of the Chineese students that they will hire international students, so I guess jobs are out there. It would seem that it all depends on what exactly you want to do. Then again, I am still about 3 months away from my B.S. so you can take it with a grain of salt.
 
theCandyman said:
Yes, but I haven't heard that anyone goes into that much detail teaching students how to build bombs. Besides, the hard part is aquiring the materials needed for a bomb, not designing one.
Candyman,

I would definitely NOT say that! There's a LOT to the design of a nuclear weapon that
hasn't been made public; and they don't teach it in graduate school.

Consider the recent "fizzle" by North Korea. According to the news, NK had all the material
they needed to make a bomb. However, their design didn't work well. If you caught the recent
edition fo Modern Marvels on the History Channel about "Weapons of Mass Destruction";
Lawrence Livermore's head of nuclear weapons design said that North Korea "screwed up".

http://www.tv.com/modern-marvels/weapons-of-mass-destruction/episode/984119/summary.html

The material is one hard part; but just because you have the material is no guarantee that the weapon will work.

Dr. Gregory Greenman
Physicist
 
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Hey Guys, I am going to join Oregon State University for BS in nuclear Engineering. Can anyone give some insight on this university? This is the best university i can get into at the moment.

Where r u studying techfrr, i mean the university?
 
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Actually there are a few problems with international students, but those are pretty minor. For example, if you need to get some codes from RSICC for performing calculations it may be problematic, but your instructors should be aware of this hurdle.
 

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