Numerical Solution of Complex Systems in GR

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The discussion revolves around the numerical solution of complex systems in General Relativity (GR), specifically focusing on the dynamics of two black holes orbiting each other and their eventual merger. Participants explore the methods for solving the Einstein Field Equations (EFE) and the implications of treating GR as an initial value problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a method for numerically solving the EFE by taking the stress-energy tensor at a specific time and computing its evolution over a short time interval.
  • Another participant suggests that the approach resembles an initial value problem in GR, where the stress-energy tensor and metric are specified on a Cauchy surface.
  • There is mention of the ADM formalism being suitable for this type of problem, but it is noted that this is not the only method available.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the second fundamental form and its relevance to the discussion, indicating a need for further clarification.
  • One participant references a source (Wald) for further learning about the topic and speculates on the role of the second fundamental form in describing the embedding of the Cauchy surface in spacetime.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants show some agreement on the initial value problem approach to GR, but there is uncertainty regarding the necessity and role of the second fundamental form, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved on this point.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of familiarity with the concepts discussed, particularly regarding the second fundamental form and its implications for the numerical methods in GR. There are also references to specific formalism (ADM) and literature (Wald) that may require further exploration.

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If we could solve the EFE's for a given stress-energy configuration, the LHS of the equation would represent the whole history of the system
Please help me confirm that I understand this correctly.
Imagine a system comprised of two black holes orbiting each other, which will eventually merge. At any point in time we describe the stress-energy tensor of the system. Assume that we could solve the EFE's for every point (t,x,y,z). This solution would contain the whole future (and past) evolution of the system, including the merge.
It is my understanding that this is not really possible, so we have to do the following: we take ##T_{\alpha\beta}(t_0)## and solve numerically for ##G_{\alpha\beta}(t_0)##. Then we compute how ##T_{\alpha\beta}## changes in a short period Δt, in which the configuration of mass and energy follow whatever geodesics are there, obtaining ##T_{\alpha\beta}(t_0+\Delta t)##. Now we do it again, giving us ##G_{\alpha\beta}(t_0+\Delta t)##
Is this how numerical methods work, in essence?
 
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That sounds like you're trying to describe GR as an initial value problem. You specify the stress-energy tensor and metric on a Cauchy surface, which is to say an acausal surface that spans the causal past or future of all events (so "all of space at one time"), and then solve the field equations with those boundary conditions. It's certainly possible to do that (and the ADM formalism is well-adapted to it), but it isn't the only way to do things.
 
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Thank you @Ibix - where can I learn more about this topic? The description I gave is the only way I could come up with
 
Ibix said:
That sounds like you're trying to describe GR as an initial value problem. You specify the stress-energy tensor and metric on a Cauchy surface, which is to say an acausal surface that spans the causal past or future of all events (so "all of space at one time"), and then solve the field equations with those boundary conditions. It's certainly possible to do that (and the ADM formalism is well-adapted to it), but it isn't the only way to do things.
You also need the second fundamental form.
 
martinbn said:
You also need the second fundamental form.
I don't even know what that is :frown:
 
epovo said:
Thank you @Ibix - where can I learn more about this topic? The description I gave is the only way I could come up with
I read about it in Wald, and I need to revisit it, apparently.

I think the second fundamental form describes how the Cauchy surface is embedded in the spacetime, but I might be wrong about that.
 
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