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News NYC too safe from terrorism

  1. May 31, 2006 #1
    Apparently we've done so good of a job at preventing terrorism in NYC and DC, we overdid it! We're so redundantly over-safe, we should drastically cut back.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060531/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/cities_terrorism [Broken]

    Yes, that's exactly how you get maximum benefit... :uhh: (who are these idiots?)

    (Not that any of this ever had any effect, other than PR...)
     
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  3. May 31, 2006 #2
    Sorry I deleted this message.

    I just had a quick thought and idea of terrorism/Sept 11/and U.S overall and what I said was wrong however it gave a base for another idea.
     
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  4. May 31, 2006 #3

    Pengwuino

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    So you're saying we get maximum benefit by dumping all the money into 2 cities? I didn't know NYC and DC have 300 million citizens....
     
  5. May 31, 2006 #4
    So you think terrorists are going to blow up a ranch in Whyoming?
     
  6. May 31, 2006 #5

    Pengwuino

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    What a sad sad stereotype.
     
  7. May 31, 2006 #6
    Well then, smarty pants. I'm in charges of awarding grants, and you're the governor of Why-oh-Why-oming. You tell me why you want $75 million in DHS money, what you plan to do with it, and how it'll make your state safer from terrorists.
     
  8. May 31, 2006 #7

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    How bout you tell me why 2 cities deserve 3/4 of a billion dollars while everyone else gets to rot. How much do you want to bet that if Las Vegas or the California central valley or San Fran was hit, you'd complain about uneven appropriations?
     
  9. May 31, 2006 #8
    Hundreds of extra police officers patrolling subways. Metal detectors, surveillance cameras. Concrete barriers around buildings.

    I'm not advocating disenfranchising the rest of the country, I'm just pointing out that there are at most ten cities which can reasonbly call themselves targets of international terrorism. Any other cities would be flattering themselves to be in that position. Las Vegas is an obvious symbolic target; suburban California is not. NYC has a super-high concentration of viable symbolic targets. The decision is yours.
     
  10. May 31, 2006 #9

    Pengwuino

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    According to this forum, those don't work, sorry.
     
  11. May 31, 2006 #10
    But it's good PR. Makes you look busy.
     
  12. May 31, 2006 #11

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    You hit an agricultural center and you'll get nationwide chaos. Probably not because of any actual danger, but how insane are people when it comes to their food? People think GE food will eat unsuspecting normal food. They're nuts
     
  13. May 31, 2006 #12
    Exactly. A suicide bomber drives into a cornfield, so the whole nation panics over the lost food.
     
  14. May 31, 2006 #13

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    sure thing boss :rolleyes:
     
  15. May 31, 2006 #14
    Your idea, not mine.
     
  16. May 31, 2006 #15

    Pengwuino

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    Im glad you aren't working for DHS....
     
  17. May 31, 2006 #16
    I'm glad you're not working anywhere.
     
  18. Jun 1, 2006 #17
    I think it's funny you equate ever city thats NOT New York or D.C. to "A wheat field in Wyoming"

    There are many cities that I promise you are on potential target lists for Terrorist groups.

    Is Oklahoma City the "middle of a wheat field"? (and it is irrelevant that it was a domestic terrorist in that case)

    Here is a story I heard about some time ago about a man who appeared to be doing alot of research on the "structural integrity" of some sky scrapers in Charlotte N.C.

    http://www.wcnc.com/news/topstories/stories/wcnc-081004-al-terrorist_arrest.62f5ce3e.html [Broken]

    Charlotte (pop. 540,828)
    http://www.city-data.com/city/North-Carolina.html

    Charlotte isn't New York by any means, but it is the Banking Capital of the U.S. and clearly not "a wheat field"
     
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  19. Jun 2, 2006 #18
    Seeing what happend on 9/11 I don't think there's could be such a thing as too safe.
     
  20. Jun 2, 2006 #19

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    I think that New York and DC are not very god places to spend our HS money. They've already been hit. The pattern of terrorism seems to be that they never do the same thing twice. This keeps them unpredictable, which is to their benefit. I'm afraid that while we've got our attention focussed on places they've hit in the past, they'll strike somewhere else.

    I'm sure that a terrorist trying to make a statement would be alot more interested in hitting new targets than in re-hitting old ones. Having already made their point about NY and DC, I would expect them to hit Vegas or Hollywood next. They've made their statement about our politics, now they'll want to say something about our morality.

    A widespread attack on Christian Churches wouldn't be any great suprise, either, it just requires more people than they've got. But maybe a Billy Graham crusade; couple hundred thousand people all in one place, millions watching on live TV, lots of limelite.
     
  21. Jun 2, 2006 #20

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    The only threat to US citizens is through programs like 24 and NCIS. On an average day you got 20 cops patrolling Dunkin Donuts here in NYC.
     
  22. Jun 2, 2006 #21

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    You are aware the World Trade Centre was attacked twice???

    It actually serves the terrorists ends perfectly to repeatedly attack the same places as if successful it demonstrates the impotence of the gov't to protect it's citizens which is what terrorism is all about.
     
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  23. Jun 2, 2006 #22

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    It seems to me that the cut to NYC's allocation was partly the result of a squabble between the City and DHS. Apparently (and I paraphrase liberally) NYC indicated that the Feds not tell them how they should spend the money, thank you very much. The Feds responded with okay, go screw yourself!

    To see how petty this gets one needs to only look at the calculation used for the allocation of funds, based on the threat formula written up by DHS.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-terror2jun02,1,5324865.story?coll=la-headlines-nation&track=crosspromo [Broken]

    The Statue of Liberty was counted under the category of lonely French women. :biggrin:
     
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  24. Jun 3, 2006 #23

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    Yes; once unsuccessfully, and then a second time to accomplish what they failed to accomplish in the first attempt. I do not think it will be attacked again. The only other thing I can think of in New York City that terrorists might find of interest would be the Statue of Liberty. The relatively minimal threat to human life makes this a low priority for defense, in my opinion.

    DC is a bit more target-rich. The White House, the Capitol building, or the Washington Monument might look appealing. But I would expect the next truly large-scale attacks to be attempted to a different city (or cities).
     
  25. Jun 3, 2006 #24

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    You guys have some great ideas.

    Maybe the terrorists should come visit PF for some fresh insight.

    So, any more ideas?
     
  26. Jun 3, 2006 #25

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    Actually, I do have a number of fairly creative ideas, but there's no way I'm going to share those in an open public forum (there exists just a slim chance that it might be read by someone who would not have thought of it on their own). All I'll talk about in here is stuff that everyone already knows, and stuff that has already been said on TV or published in print.
     
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