Object detection through magnetic signature [field]?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of distinguishing between groups of similar objects based on their magnetic signatures, specifically without visual analysis methods. The focus is on whether magnetic properties can be utilized to identify different brands of metal casseroles through their magnetic signatures.

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Main Points Raised

  • Peter inquires whether it is possible to analyze the magnetic signature of similar objects, such as casseroles, to distinguish between them without visual means.
  • One participant questions the meaning of "magnetic structure" and suggests that the objects must be magnetized for detection, mentioning MRI scanners as a potential method.
  • Another participant notes that magnetic detectors require the objects to possess magnetic properties, indicating that non-magnetic materials cannot be differentiated.
  • Peter references IndoorAtlas, suggesting that variations in the Earth's magnetic field could be utilized for navigation and proposes that metal objects could interfere with this field, potentially allowing for differentiation.
  • A participant states that if the objects have different magnetic properties (permeabilities, permittivities, conductivities), it may be possible to distinguish them using an excitation coil and detector, but practicality depends on the distinctiveness of the signals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the magnetic properties required for detection, and while some agree on the necessity of magnetic characteristics, there is no consensus on the feasibility or practicality of distinguishing between similar objects based on their magnetic signatures.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the need for objects to possess magnetic properties for detection, and the discussion does not resolve whether almost identical objects can have distinct magnetic signatures.

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Hi,

I am trying to figure out if a group of similar objects "A's" can be distinguished from different group of similar objects "B's" without using any means of visual analysis, be it a laser scanning or measurement of dimensions. I want to know if one could analyze or map the magnetic signature of an "A" (for instance a certain brand of casserole) – if such a thing exists – and detect another "A" casserole through comparing the magnetic signature.

Am I getting my question through?

Thanks,
Peter
 
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I'm not sure I know what you mean by magnetic structure, are the objects of interest magnetised? This can be detected in an MRI scanner.
 
the object you are trying to detect has to have some magnetic properties without them and MRI would be useless.
Magnetic detectors can't detect paper for example and tell if it's different from another paper by color.
 
Thanks for your answers,
I am thinking about by IndoorAtlas (http://www.indooratlas.com) – they utilise the variations in the Earth's magnetic field to navigate.

The objects all consists of a high percentage of metal. In reply to MikeyW they would have to be magnetised unless one uses a MRI scanner.

The Earth's magnetic field is ubiquitous. If I place a metal object in a spot where I know what the Earth's magnetic field looks like, I'm thinking I should be able to detect the interference made by that object, seeing as metals are affected by magnetic fields.

So theoretically, should I be able to distinguish mass produced casseroles from different brands if I place them in the exact same spot? Or is there no truth to almost identical objects having a "magnetic signature?"
 
If the different objects have different permeabilities, permittivities, and/or conductivities, then it is possible to distinguish them using an excitation coil and a detector, yes. Whether it's practical to do so depends on how different the signal will be for each distinct object. It's also possible (and practical to varying degrees) to image the inside an object, if you have enough coils/detectors.

Is there any more information you can give about what the target is?
 

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