Obtaining Velocity Distribution P(v) for Simple Harmonic Motion

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Analytical methods can be used to derive a velocity distribution P(v) for a particle in simple harmonic motion, specifically when sampling the velocity at random times. For a sinusoidal oscillation, the probability density function (p.d.f.) of the position can be expressed, which allows for a corresponding p.d.f. of the velocity. The derived function shows that the velocity distribution is dependent on the amplitude and angular frequency of the motion. The discussion also touches on the relationship between classical and quantum mechanical models of harmonic oscillators, suggesting a correspondence principle at high wave numbers. Overall, the thread explores the feasibility of obtaining velocity distributions for various types of motion.
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Is it possible to analytically obtain a velocity distribution P(v) for a particle, say, undergoing simple harmonic motion v=sin(wt) (between max v' and min -v', say)

I'm not sure if this is obvious, I've not come across it before.

Cheers for any feedback.
 
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A distribution function only makes sense when you have a lot of particles.
 
Tide said:
A distribution function only makes sense when you have a lot of particles.

or when you sample the particle velocity at random times. i remember seeing something like this for the simple harmonic oscillator in QM and comparing QM distribution to the Classical distribution.
 
Ok, say a classical particle in a box oscillates with a sawtooth displacement with time - it either has velocity v_0 or -v_0, then I can write a velocity distribution like

P(v)=1/2(delta (v-v_0)+delta (v+v_0)

possible for any other kind of motion?

(I'll use latex one day)
 
Mulder said:
Ok, say a classical particle in a box oscillates with a sawtooth displacement with time - it either has velocity v_0 or -v_0, then I can write a velocity distribution like

P(v)=1/2(delta (v-v_0)+delta (v+v_0)

possible for any other kind of motion?

sure. say it was a sinusoidal oscillation.

x(t) = A \mbox{sin}(\omega t + \theta)

and you sample its position at some random time. the p.d.f. of the position is

p_x(\alpha) = \frac{1}{\pi \sqrt{A^2 - \alpha^2}} (for |\alpha| < A, zero otherwize)

independent of \theta.

we know what the velocity function is:

v_x(t) = x^{\prime}(t) = A \omega \mbox{cos}(\omega t + \theta) = A \omega \mbox{sin}(\omega t + \theta + \pi/2)

so the same can be applied to the velocity function (if sampled a random time):

p_v(\alpha) = \frac{1}{\pi \sqrt{(A \omega)^2 - \alpha^2}} (for |\alpha| < A \omega, zero otherwize)

and the QM model of the harmonic oscillator will begin to look like that in an average sort of way if the wave number is high enough (which is evidence of the correspondance principle).
(I'll use latex one day)

it's useful for condoms. (pretty worthless for math.)
 
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Thanks :cool:


Not something I remember explicitly seeing before.
 
Mulder said:
Thanks :cool:


Not something I remember explicitly seeing before.

quite all right. note that i had to fix the pdf functions a little.
 
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