Off-Grid Energy Options & Subsidies

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The discussion centers around off-grid energy options and available subsidies for individuals seeking to power their homes independently. Participants explore various technologies, including solar and wind energy, and the feasibility of these options in different geographical contexts, particularly in rural versus urban settings.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses frustration with the repeated promises of new energy technologies and seeks immediate options for off-grid power solutions.
  • Another participant suggests that solar panels are currently the best option, highlighting improvements in solar technology but noting challenges with energy storage and maintenance costs.
  • Some participants propose that reducing energy usage can enable off-grid living with solar or wind energy, especially in rural areas, while acknowledging that urban settings may favor grid power.
  • A participant mentions the potential for solar water heating in colder climates, recommending vacuum tube systems to address freezing concerns.
  • Concerns are raised about the practicality of wind energy in residential neighborhoods due to zoning issues and noise, suggesting that solar may be more viable.
  • Another participant points out that the return on investment for solar may not be favorable unless significant energy conservation measures are implemented.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the viability of off-grid energy solutions, with some advocating for solar and wind options while others emphasize the cost-effectiveness of remaining connected to the grid. No consensus is reached on the best approach or the feasibility of various technologies in different contexts.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the limitations of current technologies, including energy storage challenges and the need for maintenance. The discussion also reflects varying assumptions about energy usage and geographical factors affecting energy independence.

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By now we have heard of all of these fascinating new technologies "just around the corner" that will "remove our energy dependence on corporate and foreign resources." In nearly every cable news interview, researchers claim that this new technology is "only five to ten years away." As a nation, we've been fed this five to ten year wait interval for more than 50 years and it is increasingly apparent that politicians, corporations, and governments give us a time to wait as a pacifier when they know very well that most likely, nothing's going to happen. Well, I'm sick of sitting around waiting for miraculous breakthroughs. My house is paid off and I don't have kids to worry about. Tell me what's available right now (I don't care how new the technology is) to power my house independently. What are the options available to me and what subsidies are available (if any). Thanks. I look forward to discussing this will all of you soon. :)
 
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Depending on your latitude, solar panels would probably be the best bet at the moment. The main problem isn't really the power generation, the solar panel and inverter technology has definitely improved a lot over the years, the problem is energy storage if you really want to go entirely off grid. To have a fully independent system with sufficient energy storage for true off grid operation is very unlikely to be as cost effective as just using the grid. Plus you will have to spend time and money maintaining your installation.

Yes it's true that the media love to beat up these stories, but there have genuinely been large improvements in many of these technologies over recent years (solar panels in particular are like to become much more cost effective in the next few years due to recent advances in thin film designs). But still a reliable large scale energy grid has lots of advantages and I guess that why it’s still they still predominate. Personally I'm quite happy paying 12 cents a kW-hour to the supply company and not needing to have any generator, inverter and storage equipment to buy or maintain.
 
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If you reduce your usage enough you can live off-grid with solar/wind or a combination in most rural areas.
Reduced usage can mean anything from no merely giant automatic washing machine down to electricity only for lights depending how much power you can produce / the site / how much land you have.

If you are in a city it's probably cheaper to buy power from the grid, perhaps with some direct solar water heating if you are in the south west. But if you are in a rural area where the alternative is a diesel generator then the technology is already there to do it better/cheaper.
 
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If you reduce your usage enough you can live off-grid with solar/wind or a combination in most rural areas.
Reduced usage can mean anything from no merely giant automatic washing machine down to electricity only for lights depending how much power you can produce / the site / how much land you have.

If you are in a city it's probably cheaper to buy power from the grid, perhaps with some direct solar water heating if you are in the south west. But if you are in a rural area where the alternative is a diesel generator then the technology is already there to do it better/cheaper.

I live in a residential suburban area outside of Buffalo, New York where energy costs skyrocket. The electric and gas companies love to play with our bills.
 
You can probably do solar water heating even in Buffalo, although since it freezes you want a vacuum tube system, not just a bunch of glass panels on your roof.

Wind is probably out in a residential neighbourhood - to work well the turbines need to be high and clear. The noise and tower height would probably mean zoning problems.
Solar is unlikely to pay back unless you go into real eco-mode, 12V lighting, no big appliances etc. But if the panels get cheaper and you power company has a buy back scheme it might be worthwhile soon.

Your best ROI on power bills in that climate is probably double glazing and a lot of wall/roof insulation.
 

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