Oldest piece of the planet Earth.

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A recently discovered zircon crystal is identified as the oldest known piece of Earth, with dating methods relying on radioactive elements like uranium. By analyzing the ratio of uranium to lead in zircon crystals, scientists can estimate their age, as uranium decays into lead over time. The Canadian Shield, rich in these ancient crystals, is highlighted as a significant geological feature, estimated to be around 4 billion years old. For dating materials older than carbon-14's effective range, which is limited to about 50,000 years, other radioactive elements such as uranium and potassium-40 are utilized. The discussion also clarifies that carbon dating is primarily used for organic matter, while methods like Rubidium-Strontium are employed for minerals. The conversation touches on the challenges of finding and dating ancient rocks, emphasizing that many may exist, but only those containing radioactive elements can be accurately dated.
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A speck of crystal is the oldest bit of Earth found according to this article:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,152930,00.html

How in the world (pun intended) does one set out looking for the oldest bits?


 
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GENIERE said:
How in the world (pun intended) does one set out looking for the oldest bits?

It's the usual radioactive dating method. You look for crystal structures that are known to have radioactive elements in them and then you look at the ratios of the product and the original radioactive element. In this case, Zircon crystals have uranium incorporated into their structure, so if you look at the ratio of uranium to lead (the decay product) in the crystal, you can determine roughly how long its been since the crystal was formed.
 
Come to Canada. The Canadian Shield (the place is lousy with it - you can't spit without hitting it) is 4 billion years old.
 
As much as I love geology, even to me, the prospect of going to see "A tiny speck of zircon crystal that is barely visible to the eye" seems somewhat silly. I'd much rather take a trip to see the Canadian Shield as Dave suggests.
 
Are there any other molecules that are this old or is it just the one molecule?
 
I tried to go to the site, and got bombarded with spam pop-ups. That site sucks
 
What radioactive element would they use to determine the age of something that was 1 million years old, or 1 billion?. I know carbon 14 is used for carbon dating but the half life for that is like 5700 years. Would there be a measurable amount left after such a long amount of time?

Huck
 
Huckleberry said:
What radioactive element would they use to determine the age of something that was 1 million years old, or 1 billion?. I know carbon 14 is used for carbon dating but the half life for that is like 5700 years. Would there be a measurable amount left after such a long amount of time?

Carbon-14 is better for much shorter timescales (such as for anthropology). There would be very little of the radioactive parent left after millions or billions of years (remember, exponential decay). For longer timescales, they use things like uranium and potassium-40.
 
misskitty said:
Are there any other molecules that are this old or is it just the one molecule?

It's much bigger than a molecule (a small shard of crystal) and I'm sure that there are many more rocks that old. However, we can only date them if they contain radioactive elements, so for most rocks, we wouldn't know if they were very old.
 
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Just to clarify, the Rubidium-Strontium method is used to date minerals. Carbon dating is used for organic matter.
 
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Let's say that carbon dating needs carbon and can be used for instance to date limestone as well. However, since the halftime of radioactive 14C is only 5700 years, the dating range is limited to about 50,000 years.
 
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hypatia said:
I tried to go to the site, and got bombarded with spam pop-ups. That site sucks

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