Optimization of the area of a triangle

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around optimizing the area of an equilateral triangle and a square using a fixed length of wire, specifically 20 feet. Participants are exploring the relationships between the dimensions of the shapes and their respective areas.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the area of the triangle and square based on the given perimeter constraint. There are questions regarding the correctness of the area formula for the triangle and the implications of setting the derivative to zero in the context of finding maximum area.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging in clarifying variable definitions and correcting the area formula for the triangle. There is recognition of the need to consider the endpoints and critical points in the optimization process. Some participants are questioning assumptions about the maximum area conditions.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of needing to define the possible values for the variable representing the triangle's side length, indicating constraints that must be adhered to within the problem context.

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Homework Statement


What is the maximum area of an equilateral triangle and a square using only 20ft of wire?


Homework Equations


20=4x+3y
x=\frac{20-3y}{4}
A=x^2+\frac{1}{2}y^2\sqrt{3}


The Attempt at a Solution


So then
A=\frac{400-120y+9y^2}{16}+\frac{y^2\sqrt{3}}{4}
\frac{dA}{dy}=\frac{9y+4\sqrt{3}y-60}{8}
When you set the derivative to zero shouldn't y=0 since the max area should be when the square has the largest possible side length,x?
 
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When you write a solution you should indicate what your variables represent. If x is the length of the side of the square and y is the length of the side of the triangle, you should begin by saying so.

Your formula for the area of the triangle isn't quite right.

Once you fix that and get your area in terms of y you need to state the possible values of y: ? ≤ y ≤ ? that make sense in the problem.

Then you need to remember where possible extreme values of a function can occur:

1. Places where y' = 0 in the interval.
2. Places where y' doesn't exist in the interval, if any.
3. End points if the interval has them.
 


I realize now when I set the derivative equal to zero I found the minimum.

Whats wrong with the triangle's area?
A=\frac{1}{2}bh=\frac{1}{2}y*\frac{y\sqrt{3}}{2}
 


Nothing, now that you corrected it.
 

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