Orbiting Earth Aboard a Space Shuttle: Velocity vs Speed

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The discussion focuses on the distinction between velocity and speed, emphasizing that velocity is a vector with both magnitude and direction, while speed is a scalar that only has magnitude. The initial statement about the average velocity being equivalent to average speed during a space shuttle orbit is debated, with participants concluding it is false due to the nature of velocity. The conversation also explores how a passenger's velocity relative to a moving train changes based on their walking direction, leading to further confusion about average velocity and displacement. Ultimately, participants agree that understanding these concepts is crucial for accurately answering the posed questions.
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Homework Statement


Consider one complete orbit around Earth as taken by astronauts aboard a space shuttle. The magnitude of the average velocity is equivalent to the average speed.



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Now this question asks me if its true or false now i drew it and the velocity can't be equivalent to the average speed so I am confused could some1 tell me what they think it is

i think its FALSE
 
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velocity is a vector, meaning it has magnitude AND direction

speed is a scalar, meaning it only has magnitude

For example, if I told you I was going 55 mph due North, I would have given you a vector. If I simply told you I was going 55mph, this would be a scalar since you don't know the direction.

However, speed is defined to be the magnitude of the velocity. Why? Well, the magnitude of the velocity doesn't specify a direction, so it too is a scalar. Using the above example, the magnitude of the velocity is 55mph, and my speed is 55mph, therefore the magnitude of the velocity equals the speed.

Therefore, I think this is TRUE
 
OOOOOOO thank you see i get confused with that now this one is tricky to:

The velocity of a passenger with respect to a train moving east would be less if the passenger is walking west at a particular speed than it would be if the passenger is walking east at the same speed.

I got this to be true but it confused me with the wording what do you think?
 
kreil said:
velocity is a vector, meaning it has magnitude AND direction

speed is a scalar, meaning it only has magnitude

For example, if I told you I was going 55 mph due North, I would have given you a vector. If I simply told you I was going 55mph, this would be a scalar since you don't know the direction.

However, speed is defined to be the magnitude of the velocity. Why? Well, the magnitude of the velocity doesn't specify a direction, so it too is a scalar. Using the above example, the magnitude of the velocity is 55mph, and my speed is 55mph, therefore the magnitude of the velocity equals the speed.

Therefore, I think this is TRUE

Can't really agree with you there. What is the average velocity? It's a vector, right? What's the magnitude of that average velocity?
 
Dick said:
Can't really agree with you there. What is the average velocity? It's a vector, right? What's the magnitude of that average velocity?

so am i right its false?
 
Yes, it's false. Tell me what the average velocity is.
 
there was none it was just a true or false question how bout these 2:

Consider a trip from your home to your school and back home again. The magnitude of your displacement is equivalent to your distance travelled.

The velocity of a passenger with respect to a train moving east would be less if the passenger is walking west at a particular speed than it would be if the passenger is walking east at the same speed.

i think they are both true
 
If you can't tell me what the average velocity of the shuttle is over one orbit, then you don't really understand why the first one is false. Ditto for the next one, what is the displacement? For the last one, the velocity is that of the passenger RELATIVE to the TRAIN. I think it's FALSE.
 
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