Ordered Pair Solutions for a2 + 2ab + b2 = a + 4b | Non-Negative Integers

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The problem involves finding all ordered pairs of non-negative integers (a, b) that satisfy the equation a² + 2ab + b² = a + 4b. The discussion explores various approaches to solving this equation.

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  • Participants discuss rewriting the equation as a quadratic in terms of a, considering the conditions for a to be a non-negative integer. Some explore the implications of treating the left side as a quadratic and the right side as linear, questioning the assumptions made about the values of a and b.

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There are multiple interpretations being explored, particularly regarding the maximum values of a and b. Some participants express uncertainty about assumptions made during the discussion, while others provide insights based on their reasoning.

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Participants note the importance of ensuring that the derived expressions remain within the bounds of non-negative integers and question the validity of certain assumptions made in the reasoning process.

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Homework Statement


Find all ordered pair (x,y) of non negative integers satisfying
a2 + 2ab + b2 = a + 4b


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The Attempt at a Solution



(a+b)2 = a + 4b
or
a(a-1) + b(b-4) + 2ab = 0

obviously (0,0) satisfies the equation. What about the rest?
Please help!
 
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Think of this as [itex]a^2+ 2ab+ b^2- a- 4b= a^2+ (2b-1)a+ (b^2- 4b)= 0[/itex] and treat it as a quadratic equation in a with parameter b.

By the quadratic formula,
[tex]a= \frac{1- 2b\pm\sqrt{(2b-1)^2- 4(b^2-4b)}}{2}= \frac{1- 2b\pm\sqrt{12b+ 1}}{2}[/tex].

In order that a be a non-negative integer, it certainly must be rational which means that 12b+ 1 must be a perfect square. Writing [itex]12b+ 1= n^2[/itex] we must have [itex]12b= n^2- 1= (n- 1)(n+ 1)[/itex]. Look at values of n such that [itex]n^2- 1[/itex] is a multiple of 12.
 
oh! thanks ... i got the answer solving! :smile:
Thanks again:approve:
 
You can also try this:
If we consider the left side as being (a+b)2 then we know that any quadratic grows faster than a linear equation, a+4b so we can try and find at which point the quadratic will beat the linear equation and thus test all solutions under that certain point.

Since on the right hand side, 4b is greater than a (for the same integer values) any values other than a=0 would make the quadratic grow faster than the linear equation's fastest possible growth, so we just need to consider a=0.

So, b2=4b, is what we have reduced it to.
Now we have to find where (b+1)2>4(b+1)

b2+2b+1>4b+4
b2-2b-3>0
(b+1)(b-3)>0
thus b>3

Which means that b=4 would be the highest possible value that we should check. Thus from this point on we just check the solutions (a,b) up to a+b=4.

Now I might have broken some rules here, because I was just going off my intuition so yeah please correct me if I'm wrong or have made a false assumption anywhere.
 
ok...:confused:
but wasn't the assumption made on a=0?
 
Not in that way, I was assuming a=0 to find the maximum possible value of the linear equation a+4b, compared to the quadratic (a+b)2. For b=4 this is the maximum since using any other values for a in a+b=4 will yield a lower number in the linear equation a+4b.

Yeah.. just trying to get my thoughts into writing here...
 
Right!
Now i get it!
:smile:Thanks a lot!:smile:
 
No problem :smile:
 

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