Orthonormal Basis: Showing Wave Functions are Orthonormal

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that two wave functions are orthonormal, specifically through the evaluation of integrals involving these functions. Participants are exploring the meaning of indices i and j in this context and how they relate to the functions being analyzed.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to calculate integrals for different cases of the wave functions, questioning the role of indices i and j, and how these relate to the Kronecker delta. There is confusion about how to apply these indices in the context of functions rather than a series.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the indices and the necessary integrals to demonstrate orthonormality. There is an ongoing exploration of how to show the conditions for orthonormality without explicit indices in the functions.

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Participants are navigating the definitions and assumptions related to orthonormality in the context of wave functions, with some expressing uncertainty about the implications of the indices in their specific problem setup.

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Hey guys.

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/2345/27760913.jpg

I need to show that these wave functions are orthonormal.
I'm a bit confuse, what's i and what's j?
I mean, do I need to take both of the functions, put them in the integral and to show that the result is the Kronecker delta?
Can I neglect the exponent for this?

Thanks a lot.


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i and j are just arbitrary indices. Yes you have to calculate the integrals for different cases. When i=j the exponential cancels (when you take the complex conjugate it changes sign). When i and j aren't equal you'll get some exponential dependence as well but in that case you should get zero anyway.
 
phsopher said:
i and j are just arbitrary indices. Yes you have to calculate the integrals for different cases. When i=j the exponential cancels (when you take the complex conjugate it changes sign). When i and j aren't equal you'll get some exponential dependence as well but in that case you should get zero anyway.

Well, where are i and j in my problem?
I mean, this is not a series, it's a function.
 
asi123 said:
Well, where are i and j in my problem?
I mean, this is not a series, it's a function.

You have two wave functions, \psi_1 and \psi_2, so the indices i and j can each take on the values 1 and 2.
 
gabbagabbahey said:
You have two wave functions, \psi_1 and \psi_2, so the indices i and j can each take on the values 1 and 2.

Yeah, but I don't have i and j inside the functions so how can I come up with the kronecker delta?

How can I show that if i=j then it's 1 and if i does not equal to j, it's 0 if I don't have i and j?

Thanks.
 
asi123 said:
Yeah, but I don't have i and j inside the functions so how can I come up with the kronecker delta?

How can I show that if i=j then it's 1 and if i does not equal to j, it's 0 if I don't have i and j?

Thanks.

Showing that

\int \psi_i \psi_j dx =\delta_{ij}

just means that you need to show:

\int \psi_1 \psi_1 dx =\int \psi_2 \psi_2 dx =1

and

\int \psi_1 \psi_2 dx=\int \psi_2 \psi_1 dx =0
 
gabbagabbahey said:
Showing that

\int \psi_i \psi_j dx =\delta_{ij}

just means that you need to show:

\int \psi_1 \psi_1 dx =\int \psi_2 \psi_2 dx =1

and

\int \psi_1 \psi_2 dx=\int \psi_2 \psi_1 dx =0

Oh, now I get it.

Thanks a lot.
 
Well, here is the second part of the question

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/879/95899388.jpg

I also posted there answer.
I think they have a mistake, I marked it in the red box.
Shouldn't it be A^2=1/2 ?
Am I missing something?

Thanks a lot.
 
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