Orthotropic materials defined by 9 constants

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The discussion revolves around the determination and understanding of the nine constants used to define orthotropic materials, focusing on their physical meaning and relationships among them. Participants explore the theoretical framework behind these constants, including stress-strain relationships and the implications of material symmetry.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on how the nine constants for orthotropic materials are determined, expressing confusion about specific constants like D1111, D2222, G12, G13, and G23.
  • Another participant explains that the number of independent material constants reflects the material's symmetry and discusses the tensor nature of the stress-strain relationship.
  • A participant notes that the stress components relate to strain components via a tensor, which can be simplified due to symmetry, reducing the number of independent components.
  • There is a suggestion to refer to specific sections of external resources for a more compact representation of the constitutive relations and the reasons for zero components in the tensor.
  • One participant identifies that the shear modulus is represented as 'u' in a referenced document and attempts to relate it to the constants c44, c55, and c66.
  • Another participant expresses progress in understanding the relationships among E, G, and v, indicating a need for further study on orthotropic material constants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the constants, with no consensus on a definitive explanation or method for calculating Gij from other properties. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple viewpoints on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the need for a deeper understanding of the relationships between isotropic and orthotropic materials, indicating potential gaps in foundational knowledge that could affect comprehension of the nine constants.

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Could some one explain, or give me a pointer to a good explanation, of how the nine constants that are often used to define orthotropic materials are determined.

I understand what E is in each direction.

I understand poisson ratio.

I sort of understand G. (I understand it as the E equilivent for shear- is that right)

I don't understand D1111, D2222, etc.

I seam especially confused by G12, G13, and G23.

Thanks,

John
 
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If I understand what you are asking, the number of independent material constants reflect the amount of symmetry in the material.

Most generally, the stress-strain relationship is tensor in nature:
\boldsymbol{\sigma} = \mathsf{c}:\boldsymbol{\varepsilon}

It's important to realize that the stress and strain terms themselves can be applied not only to mechanical behavior, but electrodynamic as well via, for example, the Maxwell stress tensor.

writing it out explicitly:

\sigma_{ij} = c_{ijk\ell}~ \varepsilon_{k\ell}

For mechanics, given a material with *no* symmetry,the 9 stress components are related to the 9 strain components via a 81-component tensor.

Symmetry reduces the number of independent components of the 4th rank tensor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthotropic_material

About 1/2way down, there's some details.
 
Andy Resnick said:
If I understand what you are asking, the number of independent material constants reflect the amount of symmetry in the material.

Most generally, the stress-strain relationship is tensor in nature:
\boldsymbol{\sigma} = \mathsf{c}:\boldsymbol{\varepsilon}

It's important to realize that the stress and strain terms themselves can be applied not only to mechanical behavior, but electrodynamic as well via, for example, the Maxwell stress tensor.

writing it out explicitly:

\sigma_{ij} = c_{ijk\ell}~ \varepsilon_{k\ell}

For mechanics, given a material with *no* symmetry,the 9 stress components are related to the 9 strain components via a 81-component tensor.

Symmetry reduces the number of independent components of the 4th rank tensor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthotropic_material

About 1/2way down, there's some details.

Thanks. I'm so confused I can't even formulate a decent question. Let me try again.

What I'm trying to understand is described in the Orthotropic material section of this link

http://www.engin.brown.edu/courses/En222/Notes/Constitutive/Constitutive.htm

How do I go from understanding E (in 3 directions) v(in three directions) G(in three directions) to C11, c22, c33, c12, c13, c23, c44,c55, c66? What's the basic idea of what's going on here?

Thanks,

John
 
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I didn't see a 'G' on that page, but did you follow the linear elasticity section down to the "Matrix form of the constitutive relations" section? That shows how these tensors can be written more compactly. The section "Elastic Symmetries" explains why some of 'c' components are zero- is that the part you are having trouble with?
 
Andy Resnick said:
I didn't see a 'G' on that page,...

I believe they use u (mu) for shear modulus. So:

c44 = u12 = G12
c55 = u13 = G13
c66 = u23 = G23

Is that right?

Is there a formula that allows one to calculate Gij from other properties?

.. but did you follow the linear elasticity section down to the "Matrix form of the constitutive relations" section? That shows how these tensors can be written more compactly. The section "Elastic Symmetries" explains why some of 'c' components are zero- is that the part you are having trouble with?

Well I started with more conceptional missunderstanding than that but at this point I get the idea of what's going on and why you want 9 constants and how the linear equations solve the stress/strain in all directions. So that's progress.

At this point I'm thinking I better go back and make sure I understand all of the basic relationships for isotopic materials. I mostly do but the releationships between E G and v are a bit fuzzy. But with some thought I think I can clear that up.

Then maybe I need a book to cover more details of the orthotopic material constants if I need to get that far into it. That is, why is that matrix set up the way it is, etc.

Even though my questions were fuzzy this exchange somehow helped me get over the major problem that I was having.

Thanks,

John
 

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