Oscillating Spring Block System inside elevator

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A particle suspended from a spring in a descending elevator oscillates with an angular frequency of 2 rad/s and an amplitude of 0.75 m after the elevator stops. While the elevator descends at a constant speed, the particle does not execute simple harmonic motion (SHM) but retains a characteristic frequency for potential oscillation once the elevator halts. The equation of motion for the particle is x(t) = 0.75 m * cos((2/s)t + π/2), with the upward direction defined as positive. The discussion clarifies that while the spring is motionless relative to the elevator, it has a defined angular frequency that indicates its potential for oscillation. The thread concludes with a reminder to start new discussions for unrelated questions.
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A particle that hangs from a spring oscillates with an angular frequency of 2 rad/s. The spring is suspended from the ceiling of an elevator car and hangs motionless (relative to the car) as the car descends at a constant speed of 1.5 m/s. The car then suddenly stops. Neglect the mass of the spring.
(a) With what amplitude does the particle oscillate?
(b) What is the equation of motion for the particle? (Choose the upward direction to be positive.)

Solution:
(a) When traveling in the elevator at constant speed, the total force on the mass is zero. The force exerted by the spring is equal in magnitude to the gravitational force on the mass, the spring has the equilibrium length of a vertical spring. When the elevator suddenly stops, the end of the spring attached to the ceiling stops. The mass, however has momentum, p = mv, and therefore starts stretching the spring. It moves through the equilibrium position of the vertical spring with its maximum velocity vmax = 1.5 m/s.
Its velocity as a function of time is v(t) = -ωAsin(ωt + φ).
Since vmax = ωA and ω = 2/s, the amplitude of the amplitude of the oscillations is A = 0.75 m.
(b) The equation of motion for the particle is d2x/dt2 = -(k/m)x = -ω2x. Its solution is
x(t) = Acos(ωt + φ) = (0.75 m)cos((2/s)t + φ).
If we choose the t = 0 to be the time the elevator stops and let the upward direction be positive, then x(0) = 0, and v(0) = -1.5 m/s. We therefore need φ to be π/2.Issues:
Can someone explain that when the elevator hasn't stopped, is the block executing SHM inside the elevator? If yes, then how can the force equal its weight when both of them are pointing downwards (that would be when the block is going upwards). If not, then what force are we talking about here?
 
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andyrk said:
Can someone explain that when the elevator hasn't stopped, is the block executing SHM inside the elevator?
This should answer your question: (my emphasis)
andyrk said:
A particle that hangs from a spring oscillates with an angular frequency of 2 rad/s. The spring is suspended from the ceiling of an elevator car and hangs motionless (relative to the car)
 
I didn't get a single thing of what you said.
 
Can something motionless be performing oscillations?
 
If it can't be performing oscillations then what does it have an angular frequency for?
 
All spring mass systems have a characteristic frequency. This is the frequency it would oscillate with if it was oscillating and it is the frequency it will oscillate with once the elevator has stopped.
 
That makes a lot of sense. Thanks, its all clear now. :D
 
If an elevator supported by a cable is stopped quickly, it may oscillate up and down. can someone explain?
 
Fcuys said:
If an elevator supported by a cable is stopped quickly, it may oscillate up and down. can someone explain?
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