Oscilloscopes and spectrum analyzers

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The discussion revolves around the differences between oscilloscopes and spectrum analyzers, focusing on their respective functions in displaying waveforms. Participants explore the concepts of time-domain versus frequency-domain representations, the interpretation of spectrum analyzer graphs, and the implications of amplitude and frequency in AC waveforms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that oscilloscopes graph magnitude versus time, while spectrum analyzers graph magnitude versus frequency, leading to confusion about the latter's interpretation.
  • Another participant explains that spectrum analyzers display frequency components with power levels, suggesting that they represent the Fourier transform of a signal.
  • A different participant clarifies that spectrum analyzers show power levels across a frequency sweep, contrasting with oscilloscopes that measure magnitude at a single frequency.
  • One participant questions how amplitude on a spectrum analyzer graph corresponds to voltage, specifically asking if a single line at 60Hz indicates a peak voltage of +6V and -6V.
  • The same participant expresses confusion about whether a complex spectrum analyzer chart displays multiple waves at different frequencies or single waves with multiple frequencies, and how frequency uniquely identifies a wave despite differing amplitudes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding spectrum analyzers and their graphs, indicating that there is no consensus on certain interpretations, particularly concerning amplitude and frequency relationships in AC waves.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference concepts such as Fourier Transforms and the nature of AC waves, but there are unresolved questions about the definitions and implications of amplitude and frequency in the context of spectrum analyzers.

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I know both can graph waveforms but I'm a bit confused about what spectrum analyzer graphs tell you.

I read an explanation that says
An oscilloscope shows a graph of magnitude versus time. Because time is on the horizontal axis, the oscilloscope is said to be a time-domain instrument.
http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/ebuehl/robosapien-lirc/oscilloscope.jpg

That I understand but the explanation of spectrum analyzers is a bit more complicated

Sometimes you want to see magnitude as a function of frequency, rather than as a function of time. This can be done with a spectrum analyzer. It is a frequency-domain
instrument with a cathode-ray display similar to an oscilloscope. Its horizontal
axis shows frequency, from some adjustable minimum (extreme left) to some adjustable
maximum (extreme right).
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For the oscilloscope the graph shows 1 frequency, 1 cycle, 1 period. It shows the exact magnitude of the wave at every point in time throughout the cycle so obviously its magnitude over time.

When they say magnitude over frequency what exactly do they mean? If you were only measuring 1 frequency like you were with the oscilloscope would only 1 line appear? Are spectrum analyzers only used for observing the magnitude of multiple frequencies at once?
 
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SA (spectrum analyzers) display frequency components with the power level (usually in dBm). This means if you have a signal that's 10MHz, you would see a 10MHz sine wave on the scope in time domain. But with a SA, you would see a delta function at f = 10MHz along with some power level. I take it you haven't learned Fourier Transforms. Basically the SA will show you what the Fourier transform of a signal.
 
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SA shows power(signal strength) vs frequency sweep over time
(ie: you can see power level for 900MHz, 2.4GHz , 2.45GHz etc)

oscilloscope shows (magnitude vs just 1 frequency)
(ie: you can see magnitude for 900MHz, to see 2.4GHz, you need to re-tune to pick up that signal)
 
Thanks for the replies. That explains a good bit but I'm still not sure if I understand SA charts. I saw a diagram on an e-book, I can't copy and paste it but it displayed a single line at 60Hz which reached an amplitude of 6. How does the "amplitude" on this kind of graph correspond to voltage?

Does this chart tell me that the AC wave reaches extremes of +6V and -6V and repeats itself 60 times per second?

If I had a more complex chart like this
spec50.jpg

is this graph displaying multiple waves at different frequencies and amplitudes or single waves with multiple frequencies? I've only started getting into the details about AC waves and the idea of waves with multiple frequencies is confusing me. If its an AC wave it has to have a definite repeating pattern so wouldn't they just measure it from one end of the repeating pattern to the other and that be its frequency?

Another thing that's confusing me about AC waves is how frequency is the way to identify a wave. When I started reading about it they made it out that it was the frequency of the wave alone that made it unique but obviously you can have 2 waves that repeat themselves the same amount of times per second but have different amplitudes so the two waves are different. Am I missing something here?
 
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