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The discussion focuses on sharing the beauty of the Universe through photos, videos, and animations, emphasizing the aesthetic appeal of space alongside scientific information. Participants are encouraged to post clips and images that comply with mainstream scientific guidelines, avoiding fringe theories. Notable contributions include time-lapse videos from the ISS and clips related to NASA missions, such as the Dawn and New Horizons projects. The thread also highlights the emotional impact of experiencing the vastness of space through visual media. Overall, it celebrates the intersection of art and science in showcasing the wonders of the Universe.
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[td]LAST CHANCE TO SEE TITAN'S SHADOW: On Aug. 19th, Saturn’s largest moon will cast its jet-black shadow onto the planet’s cloudtops--one of the final transits of the current season. The event is visible through backyard telescopes. Don’t miss it: The show won’t return until the 2040s. (...)
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Above: Titan's shadow on Aug. 3rd recorded by amateur astronomer Philip Smith of Manorville, NY​
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For more details, see the second part of part B) in this post:
Post in thread 'Solar Activity and Space Weather Update thread' https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...ace-weather-update-thread.923468/post-7275665
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Since I'm not willing to chop down trees to increase my field of view, the only thing I could image for the past month has been M27 (Dumbbell nebula):

M27-St-51855s copy.webp


1:1 crop
Untitled.webp


Nikon D810 + Nikkor 800/5.6 @ f/8, 6s subs, 14.5 hours viewing time on Losmandy GM-8, stacking and post-processing using Astro Pixel Processor.

Not only is the nebula and neighborhood rather boring (all things considered), it's also hard for me to image well because of the low elevation (poor seeing) and nearness to celestial equator (which is why the subframe time is so short). At least the final result looks good.... sigh.
 
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NGC 2903 captured from my back patio, Feb.-Mar., 2025. NGC 2903 is a barred spiral galaxy found in the constellation Leo. It lies about 30 million light-years away. It presently doesn't have a fancy, common name ("NGC 2903" will have to suffice for now).

NGC2903_2025_Final_SmallForPF.webp


Equipment:
Celestron C14 EdgeHD telescope
SkyWatcher EQ8-R Pro mount
Celestron 0.7x Focal reducer (for C14 EdgeHD)
Off-axis guider (OAG) with guide camera
Baader LRGB filter set
Antlia Hα filter
ZWO ASI6200MM-Pro Main Camera

Software:
N.I.N.A.
PHD2 Guiding
PixInsight with RC-Astro Plugins

Acquisition/Integration:
Location: San Diego, USA
Bortle Class 7 (maybe 8 ) skies
All subframes binned 2×2
Stacked using drizzle algorithm
L: 300×120 sec = 10.00 hrs
R: 354×120 sec = 11.80 hrs
G: 288×120 sec = 9.60 hrs
B: 343×120 sec = 11.43 hrs
Hα:106×600 sec = 17.67 hrs
Total integration time: 60.50 hours
 
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Finally finished this panorama around Gamma cygni, ready for print:

g_cygni-St-186706s copy.webp


This covers about a 3 x 3 array of 400mm fields-of-view (14.6k x 12k pixels). All stacking of the original 10s subs and stitching of 43 stacks performed in APP. Zooming in (just) a little: near IC 1311

Untitled.webp


and my homage to this image:
Untitled 2.webp


Lastly, a 1:1 crop of NGC 6910, which Wikipedia calls "Inchworm cluster" but I rather like the alternate, "rocking horse cluster":

Untitled 3.webp


One interesting challenge due to the substantial amount of diffuse nebulosity was getting the color balance correct across the whole image. To be frank, for all I know I failed and you are looking at a candy-colored swirl of rainbow hues... Normally, I can get pretty close to what PanSTARRS DR1 imagery looks like on Aladin Lite. For this image, I get much closer to DSS-2 imagery.
 
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Very nice, @Andy Resnick !

Andy Resnick said:
ready for print

Which print service do you use, I wonder?

I tried Google Photos print service recently and got quite pleased with the result. Though it was mostly "normal" (non astro) photos, a whole bunch of them. But I also ordered small 10x15 cm photos of mine of the Moon and Andromeda Galaxy, just for fun.
 
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DennisN said:
Very nice, @Andy Resnick !



Which print service do you use, I wonder?

I tried Google Photos print service recently and got quite pleased with the result. Though it was mostly "normal" (non astro) photos, a whole bunch of them. But I also ordered small 10x15 cm photos of mine of the Moon and Andromeda Galaxy, just for fun.
I've used a few local groups to make matted prints, this image supports a print size up to 40" on a side so I'll need to price out a frame before moving forward. Not sure how big a print I want- 40" is BIG.

OTOH, have you ever seen wall-sized posters made from smaller panels? In college, someone had a view of the earth from the space shuttle bay that covered an entire wall.... that could be an interesting option.

Edit: these are called 'wall murals'... maybe for the office/lab?
 
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Andy Resnick said:
OTOH, have you ever seen wall-sized posters made from smaller panels? In college, someone had a view of the earth from the space shuttle bay that covered an entire wall.... that could be an interesting option.
I think I've seen such things.

Andy Resnick said:
I've used a few local groups to make matted prints, this image supports a print size up to 40" on a side so I'll need to price out a frame before moving forward. Not sure how big a print I want- 40" is BIG.

For Google Photos prints the minimum size is 4x4" and maximum size is 24x36".
And they have two options: Photo prints (cheaper) and Canvas prints (more expensive) (and they also have photo books).

(Source: New ways to print your memories with Google Photos in Europe and Canada (Google))
 
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Saturn is approaching opposition for this apparition. It reaches opposition September 21st. It's easily visible with the naked eye, and you can see its rings even with a modestly small telescope. For the next month or so, Saturn will rise in the east around sunset (roughly) and set in the west around sunrise (roughly). It will be high in the southern sky at midnight if you're in the northern hemisphere (high in the northern sky if you're in the southern hemisphere).

Here's an image I captured last Saturday night. It looks like I was able to capture a bit of non-banded weather on Saturn. See the bright splotches on Saturn's southern hemisphere (look at the lower-left portion of Saturn's disk in the image). That's a first for me!

Saturn2025_09_07_0905_2_Final.webp


Five of Saturn's moons are visible in the image (Although Enceladus and Mimas are very dim and hard to spot). Starting on the left side of the image, from left to right:
Dione
Rhea
Enceladus (very dim, hard to spot)
Tethys

Then, just off the tip (in the image) of the right side of Saturn's rings you can barely make out Mimas (just barely visible).

Equipment:
Celestron C14 EdgeHD telescope
Skywatcher EQ8-R Pro mount
TeleVue 2x Powermate (a fancy Barlow lens)
Astronimik RGB filter set
ZWO ASI290 (monochrome camera)

Software:
FireCapture (for acquisition)
AutoStakkert! (for lucky imaging processing)
WinJUPOS (for derotation, RGB combination)
PixInsight with RC Astro plugins (sharpening and misc. processing)

Acquisition (using FireCapture):
Location: San Diego, USA
Date/Time: 2025-09-07, from 08:58.0 to 09:12.5 UT
(Midpoint time: 2025-09-07 09:05.2 UT)
Atmospheric seeing: mildly pleasant
Sub-frame exposure time: ~25 ms.
Acquisition video length: 60 sec per color, alternating R-G-B-R-G-B...
15 minutes of total acquisition time.

Lucky Imaging with AutoStakkert!:
Best 50% frames kept.
Drizzle/Resampling not used (i.e., Off)

Initial sharpening (after lucky imaginging processing) by PixInsight:
MultiscaleLinearTransform
DynamicCrop (to remove stacking artifacts at frame edge)

Derotation:
For each color channel (R, G, or B) 5 sharpened images were derotated and stacked using WinJUPOS. Images were then combined into a single RGB image, also using WinJUPOS.

Final adjustment processes with PixInsight:
CurvesTransformation
UnsharpMask
NoiseXTerminator
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collinsmark said:
Here's an image I captured last Saturday night.

Lovely, as usual!

I looked at Saturn yesterday when I and a couple of others were out observing and shooting the lunar eclipse.

A woman and her daughter came by (people I didn't know), and they asked if they were intruding and I said "no, you're welcome" and then I showed them Saturn through my telescope (Sky-Watcher Capricorn-70).

They were stunned! :biggrin:

I heard them loudly exclaim "wow!" and "that's so cool!" in excitement, and they told me seeing Saturn really made their day. That was really fun, and it's so fun to see others get excited by it too.

I will post photos of the lunar eclipse and our observation location below soon.
 
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Lunar eclipse, September 7, 2025

The blood red Moon, with stars in the background:

Lunar Eclipse (x800).webp

This is a "semi-composite" (background autolevelled but the Moon kept untouched) so I would personally not quite call this photo "fake"; photos of the Moon ("close up") along with stars is as far as I know usually not possible to do, because of the different light intensities, but it is possible during lunar eclipses. And the original photo does have both the Moon and stars visible; the photo above is one single photo. Gear: Sony A6000 + Tokina 400mm f/5.6.


Below are some photos from the observation location with various gear present.

We were three persons in our group, but then a couple of other persons with gear also came to the location (which we hadn't foreseen) and we ended up being six persons observing and photographing the lunar eclipse. We had very fun, and goofed around a lot! :smile:


Site - 3146m1.webp

From left to right: My Sky-Watcher Capricorn-70 telescope, my mirrorless camera and another
guy's smartphone on a tripod.



Site - 4116b.webp

Me and the gear (my face blurred because I'm not that keen on being on photos).
The gear of four persons are shown here, but there were two more persons close by.



Site - 4313m1.webp

One person setting up his smartphone to shoot the Moon
through a spotting scope during the lunar eclipse.


Site - 4337m1.webp

My camera pointing at the Moon.


More photos may come here later :smile:.
 
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Today's APOD - Up from the Earth: Gigantic Jet Lightning

JetIss_nasa_960.webp


Up from the Earth: Gigantic Jet Lightning
Image Credit:
NASA, Expedition 73, Nicole Ayers
Explanation: What's that rising up from the Earth? When circling the Earth on the International Space Station early in July, astronaut Nicole Ayers saw an unusual type of lightning rising up from the Earth: a gigantic jet. The powerful jet appears near the center of the featured image in red, white, and blue. Giant jet lightning has only been known about for the past 25 years. The atmospheric jets are associated with thunderstorms and extend upwards towards Earth's ionosphere. The lower part of the frame shows the Earth at night, with Earth's thin atmosphere tinted green from airglow. City lights are visible, sometimes resolved, but usually creating diffuse white glows in intervening clouds. The top of the frame reveals distant stars in the dark night sky. The nature of gigantic jets and their possible association with other types of Transient Luminous Events (TLEs) such as blue jets and red sprites remain active topics of research.
 
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DennisN said:
Lunar eclipse, September 7, 2025

View attachment 365285
Me and the gear (my face blurred because I'm not that keen on being on photos).
The gear of four persons are shown here, but there were two more persons close by.


More photos may come here later :smile:.
Very cool! Are those giant binoculars on the right side of the above image?
 
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Andy Resnick said:
Very cool! Are those giant binoculars on the right side of the above image?

It belongs to my friend. Actually I don't know what it's called, but it's cool, quite big and really heavy.
What's also cool is that it is from ca the 1950s, it has got a wooden tripod (I am not joking! :smile:) and the scope/giant binoculars gives great views. It has two eyepieces like binoculars and it also has got built in filters (various neutral density filters or something like that, I think). And it is really steady.

Very, very nice to use, actually. But man, it's heavy. I estimate it to around 10 kg (I've held it), but I'm not sure, could be less, could be more, I'm not very good at estimating weights.
 
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DennisN said:
It belongs to my friend. Actually I don't know what it's called, but it's cool, quite big and really heavy.
What's also cool is that it is from ca the 1950s, it has got a wooden tripod (I am not joking! :smile:) and the scope/giant binoculars gives great views. It has two eyepieces like binoculars and it also has got built in filters (various neutral density filters or something like that, I think). And it is really steady.

Very, very nice to use, actually. But man, it's heavy. I estimate it to around 10 kg (I've held it), but I'm not sure, could be less, could be more, I'm not very good at estimating weights.
Very cool! I ask because a while ago a friend asked me for recommendations on a 'starter telescope for someone who doesn't know what to look at' that he could take backpacking, and I suggested binoculars (something like the 25x100 celestron skymaster) with a tripod. He loves it- can even lie down on the ground and look through the binos easily.

And I am quite familiar with wooden tripods- used one when I borrowed a view camera. It was heavier than the camera!
 
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Another Moon shot...

I was out doing a test run with my telescope on September 5 2025 before the lunar eclipse on September 7.
Here's the final photo from that session:


The Moon.webp

Gear: Sky-Watcher Capricorn-70, Sony A6000, Rollei wireless intervalometer

Settings: ISO 1000, 1/500s exposure time, RAW
Workflow: 582 photos taken, individually noise reduced in DxO Photolab -> PIPP (preprocessor) -> AutoStakkert (stacking, 10% of the best photos) -> Adobe Photoshop (final touches)


I decided to not use the telescope to take photographs during the lunar eclipse, because I didn't feel like keeping track of the Moon continously; my plan was to take sets of photos at different times during the eclipse, and if I had used the telescope I would have had to manually adjust the telescope very often since the Moon gets quite big in the view and thus moves quite fast, so I decided to use a 400mm lens instead (the focal length of the telescope is 900mm).
 
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I had to get up pretty early for these:

DSC_0325 copy.webp


DSC_0329 copy.webp


Taken @ 800mm (f/8), these are about 1:2 or 1:3 downsized. Upper image @ 1/60s ISO 200, lower image was 1/6s ISO 5000. Tomorrow I would have to get up even earlier, so.... we'll see.

Edit: cloudy this morning :(
 
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We've had an unseasonal stretch of clear nights and good seeing conditions for the past week or so. Since there's currently nothing "interesting" in my available field of view, I decided to experiment using a 55mm lens rather than a telephoto:

55mm_NGC_6802-St-58800s copy.webp


In the (approximate) center of this image is NGC 6802, the bright star in the upper left is Vega and in the lower right Altair. Much of Cygnus is in the lower left. I can discern several Messier objects in the full-sized image, although Astrometry.net only returned stars. Deets:

Nikon D810 + 55mm Micro Nikkor (yes, macro lenses can also image objects that are far away!) @ f/4, mounted on Losmandy GM-8, 30s subs, total integration time 16h. Stacking in APP.

Lessons learned:

1) using a short focal length lens essentially eliminates effects of tracking error- I kept over 95% of the frames, and I could have kept the shutter open for substantially longer periods of time, probably 60s, if I had used an intervalometer.
2) using a short focal length lens means I have to periodically adjust the camera's aim point to stay clear of obstacles (trees, houses, etc).
3) using a short focal length lens means living with dirt spots- those faint round dark circles are from (presumably) out-of-focus dust on the lens- dirt on the sensor looks very different, by comparison. I carefully (REALLY carefully) checked and cleaned and checked and cleaned and... the lens and I couldn't find the offending particle(s).
 
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Andy Resnick said:
55mm Micro Nikkor

Andy Resnick said:
using a short focal length lens means living with dirt spots- those faint round dark circles are from (presumably) out-of-focus dust on the lens- dirt on the sensor looks very different, by comparison. I carefully (REALLY carefully) checked and cleaned and checked and cleaned and... the lens and I couldn't find the offending particle(s).
It's interesting you are reporting this, and I think I know what you mean, actually.

It seems to be a thing with macro lenses; I have noticed certain types of dirt spots on at least two of my macro lenses (Canon nFD 50mm and 100m macro, and maybe on others, I can't remember at the moment) and those dirt spots appear quite visibly in photographs.

I'm not sure why this seems to be the case with macro lenses, but the reason might be that macro lenses are a bit more difficult to do maintenance/cleaning on, at least that's my experience. So I guess few people are able to clean it properly, and dirt gets accumulated over the years.

It can be quite difficult to reach all glass surfaces in macro lenses - particularly the back side of the front element(s) which often are located behind a deep front cone which may have to be disassembled in some particular way to be able to get out the front element(s) for cleaning of the back side of it.

I managed to finally do it on my Canon nFD 50mm macro (I don't remember if I've done it on the 100mm lens too), but I had to search on the internet for a way to do it 🙂.
 
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A very nice video about the exciting Europa Clipper mission, which will arrive at Europa in less than five years (2030):

Visiting the NASA Lab Looking for Life in Our Solar System (StarTalk)
Quote: "Will we find life under the surface of Jupiter’s moon Europa? Neil tours NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory to witness the next age of space exploration: ocean worlds. Learn about The Europa Clipper, the research on the surface of Europa here on Earth, and some of the robots scientists are building to explore Europa’s oceans one day."
 
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Andy Resnick said:
3) using a short focal length lens means living with dirt spots- those faint round dark circles are from (presumably) out-of-focus dust on the lens- dirt on the sensor looks very different, by comparison. I carefully (REALLY carefully) checked and cleaned and checked and cleaned and... the lens and I couldn't find the offending particle(s).

Have you tried flat frame calibration?

I'm a stickler for flats. Every deep sky image I've ever posted here I've processed with flat frame calibration as part of the process (planetary doesn't count; I don't do flats for planetary). I take new flats for every new target for each filter I use for that target. Also, if I ever do adjustments to the telescope's optical train (e.g., detach the camera from the telescope, adjust the collimation, etc.), I'll take new flats.

Flat frame calibration not only corrects for vignetting, but also virtually eliminates dust motes. If done correctly, there is only a slight decrease in SNR around the dust motes, which is not even noticeable.

You can take flat frames with a tablet (or a cellphone if it's big enough). For me, artists' illuminated sketch pads work great. Just point your scope/camera at the zenith and display a white screen on the tablet, and put the tablet on top of the scope. (See Fig. 1.) Adjust the exposure time (and maybe the brightness of the tablet's display) to get the exposure right around the midpoint of the histogram. Take several flat subframes and stack them. (I take 30 flat subframes per stack, but that's probably overkill).

Things that must be consistent between your lights and flats:
  • Camera gain /ISO (this is debatable, might be okay to change gain/ISO, but just to be sure, I'm putting it here.)
  • Focus settings. Leave your camera in the same general focus as it was for the lights.
  • Rotation. Do not rotate the position of the camera relative to the lens/telescope between lights and flats. This is crucial, especially for dust motes on the optics. (This should be a non-issue if you're using a camera + camera lens, since relative rotation isn't even a thing.)
  • Aperture (if applicable). If you're using a camera lens with an aperture setting, make sure the aperture setting is identical between lights and flats.
  • Basically, anything involving the optical train. That includes filters and the like, if you use them.

Things that are OK to change between lights and flats:
  • Exposure time/shutter speed.
  • Probably temperature, but this one's debatable. If your optics change characteristics with temperature, it's best to keep temperature constant between lights and flats. But it's probably not a big deal, so I'm putting this one here.

You should also calibrate your flats with darkflats or bias frames. I use bias frames these days (much easier and far more reusable). This is to mitigate noise in the flats, primarily read noise. To take bias frames, simply take a bunch of short exposure pictures with the lens cap or dust cap on the camera (you don't even need the telescope or even a lens for this -- making sure no light gets to the sensor is the point -- whichever way you want to go about blocking out any and all light) and stack them.

Most any Astro-processing software should know how to incorporate flats and bias frames (and/or darkflats) into your process.

PXL_20240309_043413711.NIGHT.webp

Figure 1. My smaller telescope taking flat frames using a cheapy artists' illuminated sketch pad thing.
 
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Here's an image I captured last Tuesday night [Edit: actually, Monday night/Tuesday morning], a little less than a week before opposition.

Saturn2025_09_16_0847_4_Final.webp


Rhea, one of Saturn's moons, can be seen on the left. Saturn's north is "up" in the image.

If the rings' shadow and inner rings look a little blue to you, it's less to with them actually being blue and more to do with the fact that I did not break out my atmospheric dispersion corrector (ADC) during acquisition, mostly out of laziness. Earth's atmosphere affects blue wavelengths more than other colors.

Equipment:
Celestron C14 EdgeHD telescope
Skywatcher EQ8-R Pro mount
TeleVue 2x Powermate (a fancy Barlow lens)
Astronimik RGB filter set
ZWO ASI290 (monochrome camera)

Software:
FireCapture (for acquisition)
AutoStakkert! (for lucky imaging processing)
WinJUPOS (for derotation, RGB combination)
PixInsight with RC Astro plugins (sharpening and misc. processing)

Acquisition (using FireCapture):
Location: San Diego, USA
Date/Time: 2025-09-16, from 08:33.9 to 08:54.6 UT
(Midpoint time: 2025-09-07 08:47.4 UT)
Atmospheric seeing: somewhat on the better side of "meh"
Sub-frame exposure time: 25 ms.
Acquisition video length: 60 sec per color, alternating R-G-B-R-G-B...
21 minutes of total acquisition time.

Lucky Imaging with AutoStakkert!:
Best 50% frames kept.
Drizzle/Resampling: 3x Drizzle

Sharpening (after lucky imaginging processing) by PixInsight:
MultiscaleLinearTransform
DynamicCrop (to remove stacking artifacts at frame edges)

Derotation:
For each color channel (R, G, or B) 7 sharpened images were derotated and stacked using WinJUPOS.

Final adjustment processes with PixInsight:
ChannelCombination to combine the R, G, and B into a single color image.
HistogramTransformation did the heavy lifting for color balance
CurvesTransformation for color balance fine adjustments
NoiseXTerminator
DynamicCrop for final crop
 
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DennisN said:
It's interesting you are reporting this, and I think I know what you mean, actually.
I'm not done trying to locate the blemish, hopefully off-axis illumination (an idea borrowed from 'ultramicroscopy') will reveal the problem. I'd be surprised if it was inside the lens, but I can imagine a few scenarios (condensation, for example).

I am not brave enough to take the lens apart :)
 
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collinsmark said:
Have you tried flat frame calibration?

I'm a stickler for flats. Every deep sky image I've ever posted here I've processed with flat frame calibration as part of the process (planetary doesn't count; I don't do flats for planetary). I take new flats for every new target for each filter I use for that target. Also, if I ever do adjustments to the telescope's optical train (e.g., detach the camera from the telescope, adjust the collimation, etc.), I'll take new flats.
Flats... yeah, I've tried those. Unlike dark/bias/bad pixel frames, I spent at least a year (maybe even longer) trying to get flats to work with my telephoto lens and in the end just up. I'm not exactly sure of the underlying cause(s), but using flats always increased the amount of post-processing work I had to do:

1) Any dirt present on the flats and not in the lights results in not just incomplete correction of the lights, but the introduction of spurious bright spots.
2) The other image defect is hard to describe, but consisted of concentric rings of color, almost as though the colors of an archery target were superimposed over the image. I think it's related to the changing sky hue as it gets dark and also as the city light pollution commences.

Now I may try again with this lens, but not try too hard... :)
 
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Andy Resnick said:
Flats... yeah, I've tried those. Unlike dark/bias/bad pixel frames, I spent at least a year (maybe even longer) trying to get flats to work with my telephoto lens and in the end just up. I'm not exactly sure of the underlying cause(s), but using flats always increased the amount of post-processing work I had to do:

1) Any dirt present on the flats and not in the lights results in not just incomplete correction of the lights, but the introduction of spurious bright spots.
2) The other image defect is hard to describe, but consisted of concentric rings of color, almost as though the colors of an archery target were superimposed over the image. I think it's related to the changing sky hue as it gets dark and also as the city light pollution commences.

Now I may try again with this lens, but not try too hard... :)

1) Yes, this is true. Any blemishes on the lens/optics must be consistent between lights and flats.

That's one reason why I take flats fairly frequently (about 1 set of flats for each deep sky target, and if I revisit a target after a significant amount of time has passed, that's a whole new set of flats). But yes, it adds another step in the post processing.

2) Hmm.

Not sure what caused that. But again, make sure that lens' aperture is identical between lights and flats. If the light source used for flats is too bright, and you try to compensate by stopping down the aperture, your flats are doomed. The aperture must be identical between lights and flats.

Also, when in post processing, make sure the flat compensation is multiplicative and not additive. For example, the master dark is subtracted from the lights (an inverse additive process). Don't do that with flats. The inverse of the calibrated flats (master flat) must be multiplied, not subtracted.

And it can be tricky in theory to set up and configure correctly. For example, bias frames can be used to calibrate lights, flats and darks. But if you've already [you haven't] calibrated your darks with bias frames, you want to be careful that you avoid calibrating your lights with bias frames too. Otherwise when calibrating your lights with the calibrated master dark frame you'd be double-doing (over correcting) your bias frame (i.e., read noise) calibration. Your software might automatically take this into consideration, but it has to be configured properly. (But it is okay to calibrate your flats with bias frames independently of all this.)

You mentioned you used APP (Astro Pixel Processor). I don't have any experience with that software. But I expect it can work with flats, as long as everything is set up and configured correctly.

Before I finish talking about flats, I can't imagine taking deep sky astrophotos without flats. Yes, it's an extra step or two, but one gets used to it. It's just a (relatively easy) part of my process now that I just expect and do without thinking much about it (because I'm so used to it).

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When looking for the dust mote culprits, you can probably rule out the front objective of the lens. Getting dust and muck on the front of the lens can reduce contrast and light gathering ability, but it probably won't have a significant effect otherwise. So the front of the lens probably isn't the place to look.

The back of the lens -- the side of the lens that points toward the sensor -- is a different story. That could be the place to look.

As a general rule, the bigger the dust mote looks on the exposure, the farther away it is from the sensor (for a given aperture setting). Dust on the sensor itself will just look just like a distinct piece of dust. Dust farther away will look bigger. Dimmer and blurrier, but bigger. (In my case, dust on my camera's sensor window [a few millimeters from the sensor] will appear a little bigger, rounder and blurrier than dust directly on the sensor. Dust on a filter on the filter wheel will appear even bigger than that, because it's farther away. If dust was on the objective itself, it would be infinitly big [or in practicle terms, vastly bigger than the entire sensor], thus it wouldn't look like a dust mote; it would just reduce contrast.)

Yeah, let's hope it's not inside the lens assembly.
 
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By an uncanny coincidence, Cuiv, the Lazy Geek released a video a few hours ago introducing calibration frame process flow.

And he brings up a good point that might explain (possibly, maybe) what may have been the culprit with @Andy Resnick's flat frame trouble. (See around 26:30 in the video.)

 
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collinsmark said:
1) Yes, this is true. Any blemishes on the lens/optics must be consistent between lights and flats.

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Yeah, let's hope it's not inside the lens assembly.

My test run using flats for 55mm imaging was a disaster. Regardless of the underlying reasons (possibly correctable reasons), my conclusion is that for my particular setups/imaging conditions, flats cause more problems than they correct. Just the flats, tho- darks and bias frames pose no problems for me.

I did spot the offending blemishes when looking off-axis; unfortunately they are (apparently) indeed within the lens and not on an external-facing surface. S'ok, tho...
 
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collinsmark said:
By an uncanny coincidence, Cuiv, the Lazy Geek released a video a few hours ago introducing calibration frame process flow.

And he brings up a good point that might explain (possibly, maybe) what may have been the culprit with @Andy Resnick's flat frame trouble. (See around 26:30 in the video.)


I guess it's possible? It doesn't really change my conclusion that for me, using flats is a super-frustrating PITA that isn't worth my time.
 
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Andy Resnick said:
I guess it's possible? It doesn't really change my conclusion that for me, using flats is a super-frustrating PITA that isn't worth my time.

For me it's pretty invaluable. There's a lot of "bang for the buck," once the initial setup/workflow is debugged and figured out. Again, flats aren't just about correcting for vignetting. It's the best way of virtually eliminating dust motes from your data (when possible; where dust motes are consistent between lights and flats).
 

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