Outcome of My Employment Law Trial: Not Favorable

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The discussion centers around the unfavorable outcome of a trial related to employment law, specifically concerning claims of retaliation under the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act). Participants reflect on the challenges faced in proving such claims, the perceived biases in the legal system, and the broader implications for workers' rights and protections against discrimination.

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  • One participant expresses disappointment over the jury's decision, suggesting that the burden of proof in employment law heavily favors employers.
  • Another participant shares their experience of friends receiving substantial settlements for wrongful dismissal threats, contrasting it with the current case.
  • Concerns are raised about the erosion of workers' rights under the ADA, with one participant noting that the protections may not be effectively upheld in practice.
  • A participant highlights the difficulty of proving intent in employment cases, emphasizing the challenges faced by employees in legal battles against well-financed businesses.
  • There is a call for modifications to employment laws to provide better legal support for workers without risking financial ruin.
  • Some participants question the effectiveness of juries, suggesting that those who are truly objective may be disqualified from serving.

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Participants generally express sympathy for the original poster's situation and share concerns about the legal system's treatment of employees. However, there is no consensus on the effectiveness of current employment laws or the jury system, indicating multiple competing views remain.

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Participants mention the difficulty of proving intent in employment law cases and the potential biases in jury selection, which may affect the outcomes of such trials.

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Individuals interested in employment law, workers' rights, and the implications of legal proceedings related to discrimination may find this discussion relevant.

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Unfortunately, the outcome was not favorable to me. Employment law is heavily weighted toward employers, and the burden of proof was on me to show that my former boss fired me in retaliation for threatening to file a discrimination claim under the ADA when he slashed my incentive pay by 50% unilaterally. The jury bought his assertion that he was going to fire me anyway, mooting the retaliation charge, leaving me with no grounds for appeal.

I don't think that the jury was too sharp. When my little two-person division makes the boss $2.5M in 2004-2005 (out-earning all the other 3 divisions combined), it's pretty evident that I've been busting my hump, so my effectiveness at the job should not have been in question. That alone should have told the jurors that the cause of my firing was my intention to file an ADA discrimination claim against him. Apparently they did not get that, despite the best efforts of my lawyers. I cannot fault my lawyers - they did a great job. At least this 3-year ordeal is over, regardless of the poor outcome. My lawyers took my case on a contingent-fee basis, so I don't have any legal bills. It would have been nice to have 3 years of back pay awarded, but I can live without it.

It's not the end of the world. An administrative law judge for the SSA has ruled that I am fully disabled, and I should start receiving checks soon, plus some back benefits.

My wife and I have each other, and (seeing economic troubles on the horizon several years ago) we have positioned ourselves well with an easy-to-maintain small house with a nice garden spot. We are far more self-sufficient for food and heat than anybody I know around here. We have never been big spenders, and have saved something from every paycheck, so unless the US falls into hyper-inflation, we'll be fine.
 
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Sorry to hear that the justice you sought was not dispensed turbo. Like you have already stated, at least you are not completely left out to dry.
 
I'm really sorry to hear that turbo. :frown: Usually these things are settled out of court, but I guess he wasn't willing. Two of my friends both got nearly a half million dollars each for just threatening a wrongful dismissal suit. Both companies paid without blinking an eye. But they were both huge corporations.
 
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Awful news, Turbo and a bit incredible, what is justice in 2008? Very good that you stay optimistic.
 
Thanks, Kurdt. It just didn't work out.

Evo said:
I'm really sorry to hear that turbo. :frown: Usually these things are settled out of court, but I guess he wasn't willing. Two of my friends both got near a half million dollars each for just threatening a wrongful dismissal suit. Both companies paid without blinking an eye. But they were both huge corporations.
I tried to settle out of court, but my former boss was determined to take it to trial, and he got lucky. The judge at mediation commended me and my lawyers for our flexibility and willingness to compromise - he was not happy with my former boss and his lawyer.
 
Andre said:
Awful news, Turbo and a bit incredible, what is justice in 2008? Very good that you stay optimistic.
It's sad that an employee can be fired for exercising a basic right regarding anti-discrimination. That being the case, the "protected" activities under the ADA are no longer protected, and workers' rights are eroded or eliminated.
 
I'm sorry to hear the bad news, Turbo, but good that you have anticipated so much in other ways.
 
Sad news. I have a feeling that for some people anti discrimination laws are still something fancy.
 
I'm really sorry to hear that Turbo, that must have been a really big disappointment. Nothing worse than being in the right and having someone that screwed you over come out on top. But I am glad to hear you are going to be ok otherwise.
 
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turbo-1 said:
Unfortunately, the outcome was not favorable to me. Employment law is heavily weighted toward employers, and the burden of proof was on me to show that my former boss fired me in retaliation for threatening to file a discrimination claim under the ADA when he slashed my incentive pay by 50% unilaterally. The jury bought his assertion that he was going to fire me anyway, mooting the retaliation charge, leaving me with no grounds for appeal.
My condolensces. Sounds like an uphill battle on your side. In such cases, it's virtually impossible to prove intent without a smoking gun.

I don't think that the jury was too sharp.
Too many times they are not. Unfortunately in an adversarial process, it seems both sides seek a bias toward their respective sides. AFAIK, scientists and engineers tend to be disqualified from jury service because they tend to be objective and deliberative.
 
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Thanks, all. It was quite disappointing to lose such an obvious case. The sad part is that someone other than myself (who had not planned, saved, etc) could easily be fired based on a medical disability and not be able to defend themselves. I was lucky in that I had lawyers who believed in my case and took it on a contingent-fee basis. I could never have afforded to pay them and still have any retirement savings left.

I would like to see employment laws (especially discrimination and unjust-termination laws) modified to make it possible for workers to get some legal assistance without impoverishing themselves. It's hard enough to lose one's job - it's another thing entirely to try to mount a legal challenge against a well-financed business. When I took over that auction division, it was doing perhaps $4m in gross sales/year with minimal profits. A couple years later, we were making over $1M/year on gross sales of $12-15M. Thanks to the incentive pay I earned in those years, I'll be OK. What about a person making a little over minimum wage who gets fired unjustly? They're screwed.
 
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turbo-1 said:
I don't think that the jury was too sharp.

That's one of the problems with this kind of system, unfortunately. You are supposed to be tried by a jury of your peers, but your peers are smart enough to get out of jury duty, so you are stuck with whoever is left. :(
 

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