Parametric Equations of Keplerian Orbit

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The discussion revolves around proving that the angular momentum L is constant for a Keplerian orbit, using given parametric equations related to the orbit's geometry and motion. The subject area includes orbital mechanics and the application of parametric equations in physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between angular momentum and the parametric equations, questioning how to express L in terms of the orbit's constants. There are attempts to derive expressions for velocity and angular momentum, with some participants expressing confusion about the need for velocity in the context of elliptical orbits.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering various insights and questioning assumptions about the relationships between angular momentum, velocity, and the parametric equations. Some guidance has been provided regarding the application of the product rule and the nature of the time derivative of L.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the correct expressions for velocity and the implications of the time dependence of r. Participants note that the relationships derived may not apply universally to elliptical orbits, and there is a recognition of the complexity involved in evaluating the necessary components of velocity.

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Homework Statement


The figure illustrates a Keplerian orbit, with Cartesian coordinates (x,y) and
plane polar coordinates (r,φ).
F = -(G*M*m)/r^2
The parametric equations for the orbit:
r(ψ) = a ( 1 − e cos ψ)
tan(φ/2) = [(1+e)/(1-e)]^(1/2)* tan(ψ/2)
t(ψ) = (T/2π) ( ψ − e sin ψ)
where ψ is the independent, parametric variable; a, e, and T are constants.

Prove, directly from the parametric equations, that the angular momentum L is
constant. Express L in terms of the constants of the orbit (and any other relevant parameters).

Homework Equations


L = r x p
τnet = r x F

The Attempt at a Solution


I know that in order for L to be constant, its derivative (net torque) must be 0, but this isn't really getting me anywhere. I know torque = rxF and L = rmv, but quite frankly I can't seem to figure out how to do this using the parametric equations.
What I have done using the parametric equations is this:
L = m*r(ψ)*v(t) = m*(a*(1-e*cos(ψ)))*v(t)
From here I'm having a difficult time finding an expression for v(t). I tried using the relations
ω=((2*π)/T) and v = ω*r for the following work:
t(ψ) = (1/ω)*(ψ-esin(ψ))
==> ω = (ψ-esin(ψ))/t(ψ)
==> ω = (ψ-esin(ψ))/((T/(2π))*(ψ-esin(ψ))
==> ω = (2π/T) (this obviously backtracked)
==> v = r*(2π/T)

∴L = m*(a*(1-e*cos(ψ)))*(a*(1-e*cos(ψ)))*(2π/T)
or L = m*a2*(1-e*cos(ψ))2*(2π/T)

I'm pretty sure this isn't right because it isn't going to be constant for different r values. Any help would be appreciated.
 

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The time-derivative of L = r x p is not r x F. Don't forget that r depends on time as well.
L = rmv
Only if r and v are perpendicular to each other. In general, they are not.
 
Ok, well my intuition tells me to make L=r(psi)mvsin(θ) where θ is the angle between the positive x-axis and the line from the focal point to the point in the orbit

In my notes, we proved momentum was constant by making momentum L = m(x*vy - y*vx) and converting to polar coordinates. Does this equation apply to any elliptical orbit?

As for the time derivative of L = rmv, I am just unsure of how to do this as I can't seem to figure out the correct expression for v.
 
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If you calculate the cross-product, this is exactly what you get. It looks tricky to get v_y, v_x based on the functions in the problem statement, however. L=r(psi)mvsin(θ) looks easier to evaluate.

As for the time derivative of L = rmv, I am just unsure of how to do this as I can't seem to figure out the correct expression for v.
The formula is wrong for an elliptic orbit anyway, there is no need to get v.
 
mfb said:
The time-derivative of L = r x p is not r x F. Don't forget that r depends on time as well.
Yes, it is. When you apply the product rule, the other term drops out because dr/dt is parallel to p.
 
Oh, right.
Good, now it makes sense again (as ##\dot{L}=\tau=r \times F##).
 
mfb said:
The formula is wrong for an elliptic orbit anyway, there is no need to get v.

Ok, I'm confused here. I'm continuing forward with L = mvr(ψ)sin(θ), but I don't understand why I don't need to get v, since v isn't constant? I know that when taking the time derivative of L one of the terms is r x p = 0 because they parallel
 
derravaragh said:
From here I'm having a difficult time finding an expression for v(t). I tried using the relations
ω=((2*π)/T) and v = ω*r
These relations only give you one component of the velocity, due to the fact that the angle ##\varphi## is changing. The other component arises because ##r## varies with time.
 

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