Parametrization of Hypocycloid

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The discussion revolves around deriving the x-coordinate of a point on a hypocycloid, specifically the expression (R-r)cosθ + r cos[(R-r)/r]θ. The context involves understanding the relationship between the radii of two circles and their motion, as referenced in a provided text.

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  • Participants explore the mathematical derivation of the x-coordinate and question how to prove that the arcs of the fixed and moving circles are of equal length. Some suggest visual aids, while others share intuitive analogies to aid understanding.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing insights and analogies. There is a focus on understanding the mathematical relationships involved, though no consensus or final resolution has been reached.

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Some participants express difficulty in visualizing the problem and seek mathematical proofs rather than intuitive explanations. The discussion includes references to specific figures in the provided text that may aid in understanding.

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Hi,
Refer to: http://press.princeton.edu/books/maor/chapter_7.pdf ( Page 2 & 3)

How do we derive the x-coordinate to be (R-r)cosθ + r cos[(R-r)/r]θ

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Let 'r' & 'R' be radius of small & big circles respectively; Let the angle by which a point on the small circle rotates about its center, C be β

The Attempt at a Solution



x-coordinate of point P relative to O = (R-r)cosθ + r cosβ = ?

The text states that the arcs of the fixed & moving circles that come into contact must be of EQUAL LENGTH. May I know how do we prove it mathematically?
 
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Maybe the picture on the second page (FIG. 40) can be helpful.
You should imagine that in a given period of time the little circle has moved across a certain path, which is the arc of the big circle, but in the same period of time the little circle has rounded as much as it needs to go across a path whose length is the arc length. It means that the length of the arc of the little circle that has touched the great circle is exactly the same of the length of the path covered by the little circle. In particular the arc of the little circle is described by r(ø+θ). Since this last is equal to the arc of the path, which is Rθ, we have r(ø+θ)=Rθ. From here you can take ø and substitute it in the former equation.
 
maCrobo said:
Maybe the picture on the second page (FIG. 40) can be helpful.
You should imagine that in a given period of time the little circle has moved across a certain path, which is the arc of the big circle, but in the same period of time the little circle has rounded as much as it needs to go across a path whose length is the arc length. It means that the length of the arc of the little circle that has touched the great circle is exactly the same of the length of the path covered by the little circle. In particular the arc of the little circle is described by r(ø+θ). Since this last is equal to the arc of the path, which is Rθ, we have r(ø+θ)=Rθ. From here you can take ø and substitute it in the former equation.

Dear Sir,

Thanks for reply. Yes, I've referred to FIG 40. Sorry, I find it hard to visualize. How do we prove it mathematically instead?
 
Well, the x-coordinate is (R-r)cosθ + r cosø.
Let's focus on the part rcosø. Since, Rθ=r(ø+θ), we have ø=(Rθ-rθ)/r=(R-r)θ/r, so we get to x-coordinate= (R-r)cosθ+ r cos[(R-r)θ/r] because ø=(R-r)θ/r.
This sort of proof comes from intuition. There isn't anything more to say about it, it's just that, unfortunately.

Anyway, you can also imagine the wheel of a bike. Suppose this situation: you have a plane surface full of red paint and a new completely white wheel. You put the wheel on the surface, so only the point of contact has been colored by the red paint on the surface. Then you push the wheel to make it move and then stop it after half a turn, so you have half the circumference of the wheel red colored. It means your wheel has covered a distance whose length is half the circumference of the wheel, right? That's it!
In this way r(ø+θ) is the same of the length of arc covered, which is Rθ, so you have Rθ=r(ø+θ) (see the FIG.40).
 
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maCrobo said:
Well, the x-coordinate is (R-r)cosθ + r cosø.
Let's focus on the part rcosø. Since, Rθ=r(ø+θ), we have ø=(Rθ-rθ)/r=(R-r)θ/r, so we get to x-coordinate= (R-r)cosθ+ r cos[(R-r)θ/r] because ø=(R-r)θ/r.
This sort of proof comes from intuition. There isn't anything more to say about it, it's just that, unfortunately.

Anyway, you can also imagine the wheel of a bike. Suppose this situation: you have a plane surface full of red paint and a new completely white wheel. You put the wheel on the surface, so only the point of contact has been colored by the red paint on the surface. Then you push the wheel to make it move and then stop it after half a turn, so you have half the circumference of the wheel red colored. It means your wheel has covered a distance whose length is half the circumference of the wheel, right? That's it!
In this way the length of the path covered by the little circle is the same of r(ø+θ) (see the FIG.40).



Appreciate your painstaking efforts to explain:) I'm an undergraduate majoring in Math and yet I can't even visualize:(
 
Mmh...

Take in account my paint example. Take a completely white wheel, put it on the red surface, make it roll for half a turn so that it makes an angle of PI, then you want to measure the distance covered, how? You take the wheel and measure how much circumference is red colored, exactly πR (where R in this case is the radius of the wheel). That's to say the distance covered is exactly the portion of circumference that had touched the ground.
 
maCrobo said:
Mmh...

Take in account my paint example. Take a completely white wheel, put on the red surface, make it roll for half a turn, so that it makes an angle of PI, then you want to measure the distance covered, how to do? You take the wheel and measure how much circumference is red colored. That's to say that the distance covered is exactly the portion of circumference that had touched the ground.


Yes, I understand your analogy. Thank you:) May I know what is your major in university?
 
I'm an undergraduate attending courses in Engineering Sciences, but I noticed a lot of math is based just on intuitions ;)
 
maCrobo said:
I'm an undergraduate attending courses in Engineering Sciences, but I noticed a lot of math is based just on intuitions ;)

I agree. I believe it's possible to frame our intuitions mathematically. For eg. Limits & Continuity(Rolle's Theorem). Sometimes, confusion arises when we try to question our intuition.
 

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