Particle definition in arbitrary spacetimes

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The discussion revolves around the definition of particles in quantum field theory (QFT) within curved spacetimes. Participants explore the implications of this context on the physical meaning of particle definitions, particularly focusing on the challenges posed by observer dependence and the nature of particle states.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that in QFT in curved spacetimes, states generally lack a "physically meaningful" particle definition.
  • Another participant suggests that "physically meaningful" may refer to definitions that are covariant or independent of the time coordinate, while also mentioning that some argue observer dependence can be meaningful.
  • A third participant provides a reading suggestion that discusses the difficulties in defining particle states in QFT, particularly in curved spacetimes, and contrasts globally defined Fock-states with local particle states detected by finite-size detectors.
  • This participant also highlights that local particle states can provide a definition that remains valid even when global particle states are not well-defined, which is significant in the context of quantum gravity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of what constitutes a "physically meaningful" particle definition, indicating that multiple competing views remain. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the implications of observer dependence or the nature of particle states in curved spacetimes.

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The discussion touches on unresolved issues related to the definitions of particles in different contexts and the implications of observer dependence, which may depend on specific interpretations or frameworks within quantum gravity.

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Hello, I am reading up on QFT in curved spacetimes, and am aware that states of QFT's in such spacetimes, have, in general, no physically meaningful particle definitions. I was just hoping someone could clarify what is meant by "physically meaningful."
 
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It means covariant, or independent on the choice of the time coordinate.
Sometimes it may mean independent on the observer, but others may say that observer dependence is physically meaningful.
 
Suggested reading:

http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0409054"
What is a particle? by Daniele Colosi and Carlo Rovelli
Theoretical developments related to the gravitational interaction have questioned the notion of particle in quantum field theory (QFT). For instance, uniquely-defined particle states do not exist in general, in QFT on a curved spacetime. More in general, particle states are difficult to define in a background-independent quantum theory of gravity. These difficulties have lead some to suggest that in general QFT should not be interpreted in terms of particle states, but rather in terms of eigenstates of local operators. Still, it is not obvious how to reconcile this view with the empirically-observed ubiquitous particle-like behavior of quantum fields, apparent for instance in experimental high-energy physics, or "particle"-physics. Here we offer an element of clarification by observing that already in flat space there exist --strictly speaking-- two distinct notions of particles: globally defined $n$-particle Fock-states and *local particle states*. The last describe the physical objects detected by finite-size particle detectors and are eigenstates of local field operators. In the limit in which the particle detectors are appropriately large, global and local particle states converge in a weak topology (but not in norm). This observation has little relevance for flat-space theories --it amounts to a reminder that there are boundary effects in realistic detectors--; but is relevant for gravity. It reconciles the two points of view mentioned above. More importantly, it provides a definition of local particle state that remains well-defined even when the conventional global particle states are not defined. This definition plays an important role in quantum gravity.

I found it very helpful, hope you will enjoy it!
Frances
 
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Thank you, both. The whole matter seems much clearer to me.

And I must say, that was a lovely article.
 

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