Thanks for prompting this discussion. A lot of intelligent minds have blazed the trail before us, that is for certain.
Ethan Skyler [/B][/QUOTE]
Dear moderator,although this reply maybe is not at the rihgt place, I hope this my message to Mr. Skyler will not be deleted.
Dear Mr. Ethan Skyler.
Unfortunately I found your exelent analise only in archive.
Although I do not agree with main of your statements, I regard your
text as an exelent scientific analise.
Maybe, you are right?
It will be shown by future disscusions and experiments.
I believe there (in a field of gravifugal force)would be still many disscusions.
I hope I will not abuse your patient and great inteligence if I would draw your attention to the following:
"""At this juncture I should point out that the value of the gravifugal force cannot exceed the absolute value of the gravipetal force (gravity) since that would contradict Newton’s Law of action and reaction. When the velocity of the observed mass exceeds the velocity of satelisation, vs it is not the value of the gravifugal force which increases, but rather the observed mass must increase the radius R of its trajectory, i.e. the distance from the centre of the celestial body -- that is to say, from the point of application, or source of the gravipetal force. In fact, the observed mass must lift off the surface -- in other words, it starts to levitate."""
This part of text was taken from:
http://www.geocities.com/agravity/ANTIGRAVITY.htm
I want to draw your attention to the different manner in behaviour
among pseudoforces (cohesipetal-cohesifugal), and gravipetal-gravifugal.
In the first case, consequence of increasing velocity is also increasing both forces, i.e. stress or mass of rotational body.
In the second case, consequence of increasing of velocity (eg.velocity of artificial sattelite) will be decreasing of gravifugal (and gravipetal) force, but increasing in the radius R.
Behaviour in a both cases are contrary, but in absolute accordance with Newton III.
Orbiting of artificial satelites and floating of astronauts within them spaceships is based just at that paradox, i.e. onto the fact: gravifugal force, which is weering mass or satelites toward centre of gravity, is a fundamental force, and its behaviour ios as was shown.
Thank you for your disscusion and cooperation.
Sincerely
Petrus
P.S. Terms "inwards" and "outwards" seems much better and me too, but i am afraid that old terms used in science has much larger inercy than Gallileian mass.It is spiritual inercy in science.
I will abuse your patient with one hypotetical example to make as clear as possible the difference in behaviour betveen action-reaction of fundamental forces and pseudoforces at inward and outward direction.
Let us observe artificial satelite orbiting Earth. Gravity performs as inward (gravipetal) force. Let`s now increase the velocity of satelite to 9 000 m /sec.
After acceleration, astronauts will levitate inside, as well as at velocity 7 900m/sec.
But let us conect the sattelite with some very strong non-elastic string to center of gravity of the Earth, and let`s increase its velocity from 7 900 to 9 000 m/sec.
In such case astronauts would have «antiweight», ie. they could walk through ship (satelite), but with feet up and head down. They would be subjected to «antigravity».
In the first example the fundamental force is performing as a inward force (gravipetal) . Reaction is outward, gravifugal pseudoforce. In this case, paradoxicaly, levitation is a manifestation of inercy of astronauts bodies, or by other words inercy manifests itself as a levitation.
In the second example inward force would be cohesipetal force, pseudoforce. Outward reaction would be also pseudoforce, cohesifugal force. But manifestation of inercy of astronauts bodies mass will not be levitation than rather veight, i.e. more correctly «antiweight».
Conclusion:
It is possible to exploite gravifugal force in human purposes or aims only in a case in which some fundamental force functions as a inward (centripetal) force. That force have to be able to attract the mass and provoke its inercy. That force is gravity, or inward gravipetal force. At the orbiting velocity 7 900m/sec the observed mass will levitate in regard to Earth. If we increase the velocity, the mass will also levitate (in regard Earth), but it will increase the radius , R od its orbiting.
The human aims is not levitation than rather to achieve choosen orbit.
I believe my analise of this hypotetical examples is not erroneous one.
Thank you for reading this text!
Petrus