Phasor Diagrams in single phase series circuits

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the representation of phasor diagrams in single phase series circuits, particularly the orientation of current and voltage phasors. Participants explore different conventions for drawing these diagrams and the implications of these choices on understanding circuit behavior.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the current should always be drawn along the x-axis with voltage phasors oriented accordingly, citing examples of diagrams that deviate from this convention.
  • Another participant explains that the angle of the voltage phasor is determined by its sinusoidal representation, and the current phasor's position depends on whether it leads or lags the voltage phasor.
  • A third participant expresses a preference for keeping current on the positive real axis based on the principle that current is the same throughout series circuits.
  • One reply suggests that flexibility in using different conventions can be beneficial, comparing it to learning a language.
  • Another participant notes that in a series circuit with a resistor, the voltage across the resistor is in phase with the current, indicating that voltages should be plotted relative to this reference.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit differing views on the appropriate conventions for drawing phasor diagrams, with no consensus reached on a single method. Some advocate for a fixed reference while others support flexibility in representation.

Contextual Notes

Participants' claims depend on specific circuit configurations and assumptions about component behavior, which may not be universally applicable. The discussion does not resolve the implications of different conventions on circuit analysis.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in electrical engineering, circuit analysis, and phasor representation may find the insights and varying perspectives valuable for understanding different approaches to phasor diagrams.

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In single phase series circuits, should the current always be drawn along the x-axis and the voltage then drawn with respect to it? E.g. Should Vr be drawn in line with I, VL leading by 90 degrees (pointing upwards) and Vc lagging by 90 (Pointing down)? The reason I ask is because I've seen some diagrams for a purely capacitive circuit where the voltage is along the x-axis and the current is pointing upwards? but I always thought you drew the diagrams with the common factor on the horizontal?
 
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If the sinusoidal voltage is given to you in the form
[tex]v(t)=V_msin({\omega}t+\phi)[/tex]
then when you represent it on the phasor diagram, it has that angle([itex]\phi[/itex]) with respect to the positive, real axis. If all you know is the current leads/lags the voltage, then set one of the phasors as your reference, and the other phasor will either lead or lag that phasor depending on the orientation that you went with. I usually have voltage as my reference, and if the current lags (purely inductive), then the current phasor will be -90 degrees from the reference voltage phasor. If it leads in a purely capacitive network, the opposite is true.
For example, [itex]V_{RMS}e^{j0}[/itex] and [itex]I_{RMS}e^{-j90}[/itex] is the same as [itex]V_{RMS}e^{j90}[/itex] with [itex]I_{RMS}e^{j0}[/itex] because ultimately the phasor is rotating counterclockwise about the origin, at 90 degrees with respect to each other.
 
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Thanks for the reply. Is it acceptable to use either method as I've always been taught to work from the principle that current is same everywhere in series circuits and hence should go on the positive real axis.
 
Soon enough you'll be ambidestrous, swapping back and forth to whichever convention better suits the problem at hand.

It's just like learning language.
 
You would plot voltages on a screen that only showed voltages, not currents.

In a series circuit, if there is a resistor present, the voltage across the resistor will be in phase with the current, so this will be plotted along a horizontal line and other voltages will be plotted relative to this.

The current in all components of a series circuit is the same, but the phase of the voltage will vary depending on the component.
 

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