Phasor representation of AC voltage and current

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The discussion centers around the phasor representation of alternating current (AC) voltage and current, including their mathematical formulations and relationships. Participants explore concepts related to AC power in phasor form, RMS values, and the implications of these representations in electrical engineering contexts.

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  • One participant presents phasor representations for current and voltage, specifying their RMS values and angular frequency assumptions.
  • Another participant discusses the relationship between AC power in phasor form and its average power, introducing the concept of power factor and apparent power.
  • A participant questions the magnitude of phasor representation, specifically in relation to RMS values.
  • Another participant suggests explicitly relating maximum voltage and current to their RMS counterparts, proposing a definition for sinusoidal functions in terms of RMS values.

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Participants express varying degrees of clarity on the relationships between different representations of voltage and current, with some suggestions for further elaboration but no consensus on specific definitions or formulations.

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There are assumptions regarding the definitions of RMS values and the relationships between maximum and RMS quantities that remain unaddressed. The discussion also includes references to external resources for further reading.

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Phasor representation of AC voltage and current.

[tex]I\,=\,5\angle{0^o}\,=\,5\,+\,j0\,A[/tex]

[tex]V\,=\,100\angle{30^o}\,=\,86.6\,+\,j50\,V[/tex]


in general

[tex]V\,=\,A\angle{\theta^o}\,=\,A cos{\theta}\,+\,jA sin{\theta}\,V[/tex]

and similarly for I


It is assumed that the angular frequency [itex]\omega[/itex] is the same throughout the system, and it is assumed that the Voltage and Current are RMS values.

For the above phasor values, the voltage and current are:

v(t) = 141.4 cos ([itex]\omega[/itex]t + 30°)

and

i(t) = 7.07 cos [itex]\omega[/itex]t
 
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AC Power in Phasor Form

[tex]p(t)\,=\,[V_{max}\,cos(\omega{t}+\theta)] \times [I_{max}\,cos(\omega{t}+\phi)][/tex]

becomes

[tex]p(t)\,=\,\frac{V_{max}I_{max}}{2}[cos(\theta-\phi)\,+\,cos(2\omega{t}+\theta+\phi)][/tex]

The average power is

[tex]P\,=\,V_{rms}I_{rms}\,cos(\theta-\phi)[/tex]


In phasor notation,

[tex]v\,=\,V_{rms}\angle\theta[/tex]

[tex]i\,=\,I_{rms}\angle\phi[/tex]

but

[tex]P\,\neq\,V_{rms}I_{rms}\angle(\theta+\phi)[/tex]

Instead

[tex]P\,=\,Re\{VI^*\}[/tex]

and

[tex]V\,I^*\,=\,(V_{rms}\angle\theta)\times(I_{rms}\angle-\phi)[/tex]

[tex]\,=\,V_{rms}I_{rms}\angle(\theta-\phi)[/tex]

The real part of power is given by

[tex]P\,=\,V_{rms}I_{rms}cos(\theta-\phi)[/tex]

and the reactive or imaginary part of power is

[tex]Q\,=\,V_{rms}I_{rms}sin(\theta-\phi)[/tex]

and the quantity [itex]cos(\theta-\phi)[/itex] is known as the power factor.

The apparent power, S, expressed as volt-amperes (VA) is given by

S (volt-amps) = P (Watts) + jQ (volt-amps-reactive) = VI*

|S|2 = |P|2 + |Q|2 = Vrms2 Irms2

PF = |P|/|S|

VAR is commonly used as a unit for "volt-amperes-reactive"

Some useful background on AC power and phasors.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/phase.html

http://www.physclips.unsw.edu.au/jw/AC.html

http://www.walter-fendt.de/ph11e/accircuit.htm
 
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phasor representation

so Phasor representation of an AC voltage is what magnitude? RMS
 
you might want to explicitly relate Vmax to Vrms and similar for the currents. in fact, Astronuc, i might define the sinusoids as

[tex]v(t) \triangleq V_{max} cos(\omega t + \theta) = \sqrt{2} V_{rms} cos(\omega t + \theta)[/tex]

and

[tex]i(t) \triangleq I_{max} cos(\omega t + \phi) = \sqrt{2} I_{rms} cos(\omega t + \phi)[/tex]

and then crank out the instantaneous and mean power as you did.

i dunno. just a suggestion.
 

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