Photon Flux vs. Intensity: Which equation should be used to solve this problem?

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The discussion focuses on the distinction between intensity and photon flux in the context of a sodium lamp emitting light at 130 W and a wavelength of 570 nm. The equations provided include the rate of emission/absorption, intensity, and photon flux. The confusion arises from the use of the same symbol (I) for both intensity and photon flux, leading to incorrect calculations when applying the formulas. The correct approach involves recognizing that intensity (measured in Watts per square meter) and photon flux (measured in photons per square meter per second) are fundamentally different quantities.

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Homework Statement


A sodium lamp emits light at the power P = 130 W and at the wavelength λ = 570 nm, and the emission is uniformly in all directions. (b) At what distance from the lamp will a totally absorbing screen absorb photons at the rate of 1.00 photon /cm^2s?

Homework Equations


1. (Rate of emission/absorption) ## R= \frac {P\lambda} {hc} ##
2. (Intensity) ## I=\frac {P}{A} = \frac {P}{4\pi r^2} ##
3. (Photon Flux) ## I= \frac {R} {A} =\frac {R}{4\pi r^2} ##

The Attempt at a Solution


My confusion here comes from the units of Intensity vs. Photon Flux
From the equations above, I get that
P = R, but this is not the case right?
Here is how I had set up my solution:
Since they give us I = 1.0/cm^2, this means I = 1e4 photons/m^2s

IF, I use the second equation
## I=\frac {P}{A} ##
## I=\frac {P}{4\pi r^2} ##
## r=\sqrt{\frac{P}{4\pi I}} ##
## r = \sqrt{\frac{130}{4\pi 1e4}} ##

this yields 0.0321 m, which is NOT the answer.
I get the correct answer using the third equation, but I don't understand why the first equation doesn't work in this case.
 
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The intensity is the amount of energy that strikes a unit area during a unit of time. In the SI system, this is the number of Joules of energy that strike a square meter of area each second. This is the same as Watts per square meter. (The area is assumed to be perpendicular to the direction of propagation).

The photon flux is the number of photons that strike a unit area during a unit of time. So the SI units would be number of photons per square meter per second. (Again, the area is assumed to be perpendicular to the direction of propagation.)

Intensity and photon flux are different quantities with different units.

The confusion might be due to using the same symbol ##I## for these two different quantities. This is not a good idea.

##I## is usually used for intensity. For photon flux, people sometimes use ##\Phi##.

You can convert from ##\Phi## to ##I## by multiplying ##\Phi## by the energy of each photon (##hc/\lambda##).
 
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Thanks TSny, I checked the units of both photon flux and intensity and got different units.

It's so weird that my book decided to use the same symbol for different quantities.
 

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