X-ray Flux density and a differential equation for photon scattering

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The discussion revolves around the interactions of an X-ray beam with a material, specifically focusing on the flux density and the differential equation governing photon scattering. Participants are exploring how the intensity of the X-ray beam changes as it penetrates a material and the implications for forming a sharp image.

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  • Participants are attempting to derive a differential equation related to the intensity loss of the X-ray beam as it interacts with the material. Questions arise about the relationship between incoming intensity, thickness of the material, and the resulting loss of intensity. Some participants suggest that the intensity may decrease exponentially with depth.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various participants sharing their thoughts on how to set up the problem and construct the necessary equations. There is a recognition of the need for an attenuation factor, and some participants are exploring proportional relationships between intensity and loss. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered.

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Participants are grappling with the definitions and implications of terms such as "sharp image" and "loss of intensity." There is a mention of homework constraints, as some participants are encouraged to show their own attempts rather than relying solely on others' methods.

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Homework Statement


Consider interactions of a X-ray beam at a depth, x, within a material. The flux density is:
density flux = $$\frac{I}{A}$$

where I is the intensity of the beam that cross a unit area A at right angles to the beam. Let dx be a small slice at the depth x and let dI(x) be the decrease in the intensity of the X-ray beam due to the interaction or scattering of the photons by the atoms of the material contained in the slice between x and (x + dx).
Determine the ability of a beam of X-ray photons to form a sharp image by calculating the loss of photons scattered out of the beam by the slice of material of thickness dx at a depth x in the material.
(Hint: Find the expression for the flux density rate)

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The Attempt at a Solution


so i can almost "read" off the question that I need to derive $$\frac{dI}{dx}=-I$$ but I'm not sure how to set it up.
I tried to say there is "conservation of flux" and write $$\phi (x+dx) - \phi (x) = d\phi (x)$$ but that's always true. it doesn't lead me anywhere...
I am also unsure what "the ability to form a sharp image" means.
Thanks.
R.
 
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I think the intensity is the flux/area. The higher the intensity, the sharper the image. I would guess that the intensity falls off as a negative exponential of the depth of penetration.
 
razidan said:
not sure how to set it up.
What will be the relationship between the intensity reaching depth x, the thickness dx, and the loss through that thickness? You will need to create a constant.
 
haruspex said:
What will be the relationship between the intensity reaching depth x, the thickness dx, and the loss through that thickness? You will need to create a constant.
I wrote that the incoming flux (at x) will br equal to the outgoing (at x+dx) plus the loss.
From there I got my equation (missing a minus on the RHS).
But that's not saying much. How can I construct the differential equation based on what I'm given?
Also, I inderatund there should be some attenuation factor, but do I "artificially" set it in my equation?
 
razidan said:
I wrote that the incoming flux (at x) will br equal to the outgoing (at x+dx) plus the loss.
From there I got my equation (missing a minus on the RHS).
But that's not saying much. How can I construct the differential equation based on what I'm given?
Also, I inderatund there should be some attenuation factor, but do I "artificially" set it in my equation?
Consider a slice of thickness dx. Let the intensity reaching it be I and the loss through it ΔI.
What if we were to double the intensity reaching it to 2I? What loss would you expect then?
 
haruspex said:
Consider a slice of thickness dx. Let the intensity reaching it be I and the loss through it ΔI.
What if we were to double the intensity reaching it to 2I? What loss would you expect then?
Twice the photons will have twice the probability to scatter. So twice the loss.
I think...
 
razidan said:
Twice the photons will have twice the probability to scatter. So twice the loss.
I think...
Right, so can you write that as a proportionality?
Next, how about doubling dx (but for very small dx)?
 
haruspex said:
Right, so can you write that as a proportionality?
Next, how about doubling dx (but for very small dx)?
The lossvwill be squared...?
 
razidan said:
The lossvwill be squared...?
No, not squared. I think you meant multiplied by four if both intensity and dx are doubled.
I meant, keeping the incoming intensity constant but doubling dx, but no matter.

So as an algebraic equation, how does the loss of intensity depend on I and dx?
 
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haruspex said:
No, not squared. I think you meant multiplied by four if both intensity and dx are doubled.
I meant, keeping the incoming intensity constant but doubling dx, but no matter.

So as an algebraic equation, how does the loss of intensity depend on I and dx?
Why is the loss bot squared (without doubling the flux).
For each dx , there is some loss, so wouldn't for 2dx the loss would be proportional to dx²?
 
  • #11
razidan said:
Why is the loss bot squared (without doubling the flux).
For each dx , there is some loss, so wouldn't for 2dx the loss would be proportional to dx²?
So if dx<1, there is less loss through 2dx than through dx?

Suppose the loss through the first dx is 1%. What would you expect the loss to be through the next dx?
 
  • #12
haruspex said:
So if dx<1, there is less loss through 2dx than through dx?

Suppose the loss through the first dx is 1%. What would you expect the loss to be through the next dx?
Hmm...
Ok, I hear you.
 
  • #13
razidan said:
Hmm...
Ok, I hear you.
Do you mind sharing your method as I am stuck on this exact same question. Thanks
 
  • #14
Mahnaz said:
Do you mind sharing your method as I am stuck on this exact same question. Thanks
It is not evident that razidan has solved it. Anyway, you should show your own attempt, so maybe best if you create a new thread.
 

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