Photon radiation, how does it work?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of photon radiation and how it allows for the observation of distant astronomical objects, specifically focusing on the implications of photon emission and detection over vast distances. The conversation touches on theoretical aspects, observational challenges, and the mechanics of capturing images of faint objects in space.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that photons radiate outwards from a source in all directions, allowing for clear images of distant objects despite the vast distances involved.
  • One participant mentions Rayleigh's criterion as a relevant concept, suggesting a need for understanding resolution in imaging.
  • Another participant notes that capturing images of very distant objects involves collecting only a few photons per second, which raises questions about the gaps in photon arrival.
  • There is a discussion about whether it is theoretically possible for photons from a luminous object to strike Earth in a piecemeal fashion, with some arguing that gaps do exist across both space and time.
  • One participant emphasizes that longer exposure times in photography are necessary to collect enough photons from dim objects, indicating that gaps in photon arrival can be significant.
  • Another participant reiterates the idea that as one moves further from a luminous object, the time between photon arrivals can increase dramatically, necessitating longer exposure times for detection.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of photon gaps and the mechanics of photon detection. While some agree that gaps exist and that longer exposures are needed for faint objects, the theoretical limits of photon arrival and the nature of imaging distant objects remain contested.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the complexities of photon emission and detection, and assumptions regarding the behavior of light over vast distances are not fully explored. The implications of time and space gaps in photon arrival are acknowledged but not definitively concluded.

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When photons are emitted, they radiate outwards from the point of radiation at all angles, so much so that clear pictures can be observed from vast distances. How is it that you can radiate photons in so many strait lines that the gaps between the lines don't become to far apart to make a clear picture.
 
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Before going further, have you studied Rayleighs criterion?
 
I havn't
 
Basically, photons are small packets of energy, so a lot of them are emitted. But for really, really distant objects, when people take pictures of them, they capture only a handful of photons a second.
 
W3pcq, great question! Now I am really wondering! Think of a quasar 12 billion light years away, and two telescopes recording images simultaneously a few meters apart. !

Separate photon streams? A single photon stream that is "blurred" over a large "footprint" (by diffraction in the vacuum of space?) ?
 
You basically have that backwards. Having separate telescopes record the same image (using interferometry) increases the resolution. Basically, it allows distinguishing between light rays that aren't quite parallel.
 
Well I may have gone off track a little there...
Let me rephrase the original question. If observers on the entire night side planet of Earth can observe a 12 Gly quasar at the same time, then there are photons from the quasar colliding with observers on every point on the planet WITH NO GAPS. Is it even theoretically possible us to be so distant from a luminous object that the photons strike our planet piecemeal with gaps between the arriving photons? Even in another 100 billion years? 100 trillion years? (Hypothetically speaking, ignoring the eventual decay of all matter, big crunches, bounces, etc.).
 
sysreset said:
Well I may have gone off track a little there...
Let me rephrase the original question. If observers on the entire night side planet of Earth can observe a 12 Gly quasar at the same time, then there are photons from the quasar colliding with observers on every point on the planet WITH NO GAPS. Is it even theoretically possible us to be so distant from a luminous object that the photons strike our planet piecemeal with gaps between the arriving photons? Even in another 100 billion years? 100 trillion years? (Hypothetically speaking, ignoring the eventual decay of all matter, big crunches, bounces, etc.).
Why do you think photographs of very dim objects require such long exposures? Only a relatively few photons from those distant quasars reach Earth every second. But hold hte exposure for a minute or so and you collect enough to get a decent pic.

I don't know how many people can see light from a quasar 12Gly distant with their naked eye, so the conclusion is that, yes, there ARE gaps. But note that the gaps are spread across both space AND time. The photograph I mention above can't maximize the space to capture more photons, but it can maximize the time over which it collects them.
 
sysreset said:
Is it even theoretically possible us to be so distant from a luminous object that the photons strike our planet piecemeal with gaps between the arriving photons? Even in another 100 billion years? 100 trillion years? (Hypothetically speaking, ignoring the eventual decay of all matter, big crunches, bounces, etc.).
YES! I said this already. For extremely dim objects, telescopes may record only a few photons every second, but by recording them for hours or even days, they get a bright picture of the object.
 
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Thanks Russ I get it now... photons are emitted radially at ALL angles, it's just as you get down to really tiny angles you just have to wait longer and longer to see the object, because your photon detection equipment always has a radius. It is therefore theoretically possible to be so far from an object that you get over one hundred years between photons, necessitating really long exposures to see the object.
 

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