Physics of Boomerangs: Learn Moment of Inertia Calculation

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The discussion revolves around the physics of boomerangs, specifically focusing on the calculation of moment of inertia and its implications for angular momentum. Participants explore theoretical aspects, mathematical calculations, and potential applications related to the behavior of boomerangs.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Ricardo, seeks clarification on the calculation of moment of inertia for a model boomerang, referencing a previous discussion.
  • Another participant explains the application of the parallel axis theorem to find the moment of inertia of the boomerang's vanes and mentions the need to multiply by three due to the number of vanes.
  • Ricardo inquires about calculating angular momentum and whether torque calculations would aid in proving that the boomerang returns.
  • A participant suggests that proving the return of a boomerang involves complex factors beyond angular momentum, including aerodynamics.
  • Ricardo questions if focusing solely on angular momentum could suffice for his paper, indicating a desire to simplify the analysis.
  • Another participant notes the complexity of the mathematics involved in understanding boomerang dynamics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to the calculations involved. There is no consensus on the sufficiency of angular momentum alone to prove the boomerang's return, and the discussion reflects differing opinions on the complexity of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the limitations of their models and calculations, particularly regarding assumptions about the shape and material of the boomerang. The discussion highlights the dependence on specific definitions and the unresolved nature of some mathematical steps.

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Im new at this Physics forum and i don't quite know anyone here.
I came here because I'm doing a paper about "The Physics of Boomerangs" and so i found a topic about it where you explained a guy how to calculate the moment of inertia on a simple model of a boomerang.

https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...rtia-for-wierdly-shaped-objects.503476/page-2

However, I didnt understand the last part, about the end of the calculus. Gneill said I new = I + M.r^2 . So I use that formula 1/12 x M(a^2+b^2) and then add M x r^2 ? And after that you multiply by 3 ? In that case scenario r = 5.4 ?

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Hi Ricardo.

In future please use the formatting template that is provided in the edit window when a new thread is started in a homework forum. Don't delete it!

The model boomerang in question consisted of three identical rectangular vanes that were arranged at 120° angle separation, and overlapped at the center (presumably glued together). Here's the picture provided by the original poster of the thread in question:

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RicardoMarques said:
However, I didnt understand the last part, about the end of the calculus. Gneill said I new = I + M.r^2 . So I use that formula 1/12 x M(a^2+b^2) and then add M x r^2 ? And after that you multiply by 3 ? In that case scenario r = 5.4 ?

Yes that's the idea. The r had units of cm, and was, I believe, an approximation based on the described dimensions of the model boomerang. The parallel axis theorem was applied to find the moment of inertia of one vane about the center of of rotation of the boomerang as a whole. The result was multiplied by three to account for the three vanes.

The method relies on the fact that the vanes are in fact whole rectangles. If the vanes weren't overlapped and the boomerang was cut from a single sheet of material then another method would have to be found.
 
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I'll have that in mind next time I create a post

Thank you so much !
 
One more thing, adding to the past one...

I calculated the moment of inertia right ? Now I want to know the angular momentum, i only have to multiply this for angular velocity and its done ?

Also, If I want to prove that the boomerang returns using this calculus what would you counsel me to do ? Adding torque calculus would help ?
 
RicardoMarques said:
One more thing, adding to the past one...

I calculated the moment of inertia right ? Now I want to know the angular momentum, i only have to multiply this for angular velocity and its done ?
Yes.
Also, If I want to prove that the boomerang returns using this calculus what would you counsel me to do ? Adding torque calculus would help ?
I fear that proving that a given boomerang returns, or simply determining any part of its trajectory would be a much more difficult problem involving aerodynamics. Angular momentum would be just a small factor in a much larger problem.

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Have a look at the Hyperphysics entry on the boomerang for an overview.
 
What if I was allowed to consider only angular momentum ? Would I be able to prove it ? And how ?

This is a small paper, I think I can assume that other stuff don't matter, or simply not consider them in my calculus
 
See my Edit update in my previous post.
 

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