Physics paper, picture analysis

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The discussion revolves around analyzing a series of images to determine the flash rate and initial velocity of a ball thrown by a man. Participants suggest using kinematics equations, particularly focusing on vertical motion and estimating distances based on the size of the man's fingers as a scaling factor. Initial calculations indicate a time interval of approximately 0.042 seconds between images, leading to an estimated horizontal velocity of 55.61 cm/s and a vertical velocity of 265.12 cm/s. Corrections clarify that the ball cannot fall from rest due to its horizontal velocity component. The conversation emphasizes the importance of accurately applying kinematic equations to derive the necessary values for the final paper.
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Homework Statement


This isn't really a homework probelm, I'm trying to answer some questions about a picture to use in my final paper for physics. I thought it would be a fun thing to have thrown in there but I can't seem to figure out how to start.
http://img1.photographersdirect.com/img/8998/wm/pd1304871.jpg
The questions I chose to answer were What is the flashrate and how fast is it moving when it leaves the man's hand.



Homework Equations


I don't know what equations i need but I'm sure it would be some of the kinematics equations. I do know that at the top of each bounce it's x and y movement = 0 or something like that. And i know i need to come up with a scaling factor which i will put up in about 5 minutes when my printer finishes printing out this picture. Any advice or whatever for other things that could help would be awesome. I am not a physics major lol.


The Attempt at a Solution

 
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From the thickness of the fingers one can estimate the VERTICAL distance the ball falls from one picture of the ball to the next one.
 
grzz said:
From the thickness of the fingers one can estimate the VERTICAL distance the ball falls from one picture of the ball to the next one.

that's exactly what i was about to try but i had to print a ruler.. turns out the only one i have is for architecture and is useless lol
 
I suppose that the ball is released from rest.
 
grzz said:
I suppose that the ball is released from rest.

it might be but if it was it should drop straight down not on a slight angle and the pictures would be closer together at the beginning like they are at the tops of the bounces
 
from my measurements the width of the finger in the picture is .5cm exactly and the average real finger width is 2cm. which gives a scalinging factor of real/picture= 4
the ball is 9/10cm so multiplied by the caling factor it is 3.6cm. the distance between the first ball an the second is 3cm*sf=12cm
I took the distance of the 2nd bounce (because it has a clear picture of the top of the bounce where the vertical=0) and found the the ball moves 21.8cm (thats picture*sf) vertically

Now what?
I think i need a kinematics equation of some sort.. I can determine that the change in time is equal to sqrt(2(change-y)/gravity) but i don't know hwat forumal that is derived from it's just something i have written down. Can someone tell me what formula this is from? it gives me a time between each ball of approx .21seconds.. so that answers my first question of flash rate.

How do i find the initial velocity as it leaves his hand
t=.21seconds displacement of y= 12cm displacement of x=3.2cm
 
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I have an answer.
I used the formulas:
x=Vix*t+.5g*t^2
=>Vix=(x-.5gt^2)/t
and Viy=(y-.5gt^2)/t

Since I measured my x to 3.2cm I got 55.61cm/s
y was 12cm so 265.12cm/s

Then I used pythagorean's theorem |V|= sqrt(x^2+y^2) = 270.90 cm/s

can anyone give me some feedback?

Correction: t= .042 not .21 bc you have to divide .21 by the 5 images in that span. The above numbers have been adjusted and should now be correct.
 
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mikky05v said:
it might be but if it was it should drop straight down not on a slight angle ...

You are right.

Allow me to correct my previous post.

The ball CANNOT fall from rest since it must have a component of velocity in the horizontal.
 
The flash rate can be found from the first and second position of the image of the ball.

The formula

y = v_{i}t + \frac{1}{2}gt^{2}

is used in the VERTICAL direction.

The vertical direction is chosen since in this direction we know the initial speed v_{i} which is assumed to be 0 m/s.

The value of y is estimated from the picture and the value of g is known. Hence the time interval of the two consecutive images can be found.
 
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