Please explain to me 'why' light is part defined by velocity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the nature of light, specifically why it is associated with velocity. Participants explore the conceptual implications of light as a form of information and question the assumptions surrounding its speed. The conversation touches on historical observations and the understanding of light in different contexts, including hypothetical scenarios.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why light is assumed to have velocity, suggesting that this assumption may not apply to other forms of information.
  • One participant references the speed of sound as a counterexample to the original claim.
  • Historical observations by astronomers such as Cassini and Roemer are mentioned, noting that light's velocity was determined through careful observations rather than assumed.
  • There is a suggestion that the concept of light traveling on its own may overlook the involvement of other entities.
  • Participants discuss the implications of light's existence in contexts where it cannot be perceived, such as in the hypothetical case of a blind race of Earthworms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views regarding the nature of light and its velocity. Participants express differing opinions on the assumptions made about light and its classification as a form of information.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on historical interpretations of light's speed, and there are unresolved questions about the implications of light's velocity in relation to other forms of information.

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Rhetorical Question: I have never understood why light (primarily a form of information or data) is often assumed to have velocity.

We would never in any other process, attempt to give the quality/definition of speed to any other form of information and rather look to the platform or mechanism.

Did we just assume light could travel on its own, without ever considering that there was some other entity involved?

And just to round off this 'devil's advocate' opener; what would light truly be to us in scientific terms, if we were a highly evolved race of Earthworms i.e. blind by nature?
 
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I don't understand your objection; speed of sound...?
 
Giles OBrien said:
Rhetorical Question: I have never understood why light (primarily a form of information or data) is often assumed to have velocity.

We would never in any other process, attempt to give the quality/definition of speed to any other form of information and rather look to the platform or mechanism.

Did we just assume light could travel on its own, without ever considering that there was some other entity involved?

And just to round off this 'devil's advocate' opener; what would light truly be to us in scientific terms, if we were a highly evolved race of Earthworms i.e. blind by nature?

Welcome to the PF.

What is your educational background? That will help us tune our responses to your level of understanding of science & physics. :smile:
 
Giles OBrien said:
Rhetorical Question: I have never understood why light (primarily a form of information or data) is often assumed to have velocity.

Light is not assumed to have a velocity. It was determined to have a measurable velocity as the result of careful observations made of the planets in the solar system following the invention of the telescope in the 17th century.

The astronomer Cassini was the first to notice that light did not travel instantaneously, but unfortunately, he did not pursue the implications of his observation further. The Danish astronomer Roemer made observations about light similar to those of Cassini, and did explore the matter further:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ole_Rømer

Roemer was the first scientist to estimate the speed of light, although his estimate was about 25% lower than the currently measured value:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rømer's_determination_of_the_speed_of_light

We would never in any other process, attempt to give the quality/definition of speed to any other form of information and rather look to the platform or mechanism.
Water waves and sound waves are readily observed to travel at finite speeds.

Did we just assume light could travel on its own, without ever considering that there was some other entity involved?

It's not clear what you mean by "other entity".

And just to round off this 'devil's advocate' opener; what would light truly be to us in scientific terms, if we were a highly evolved race of Earthworms i.e. blind by nature?

We can't "see" things like radio waves or X-rays, but we know they exist.
 

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