Please help i cant understand anything about diffraction grating

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of lenses in conjunction with diffraction gratings, specifically addressing why a convex lens is preferred for focusing light and the implications of light paths at angles. Participants explore the mechanics of diffraction and interference, as well as the optical properties of different types of lenses.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why a convex lens is used to focus rays at an angle rather than straight, suggesting a need for clarification on the optical principles involved.
  • Others argue that the angle is not a requirement but rather a representation of what occurs when light is incident at an angle.
  • There is a suggestion that a concave lens could be used, but this would result in spreading the beams rather than focusing them.
  • One participant explains that aligning the optical axis of the lens with the incoming rays minimizes optical aberrations, reinforcing the use of a convex lens for focusing.
  • A detailed explanation of the diffraction grating is provided, including the role of secondary wavelets and path differences that lead to bright spots in the interference pattern.
  • Another participant notes that the lens focuses light to demonstrate interference effects, which would otherwise spread out without it.
  • There is a discussion about how the different lengths of light paths from the lens to the focus point do not contribute to path differences due to compensation by the lens's thickness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of using a convex lens versus a concave lens, and whether the angle of incidence is essential or merely illustrative. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal lens choice and the implications of light path angles.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the optical behavior of lenses and diffraction gratings are not fully explored, and the discussion includes various interpretations of the diagrams referenced by participants.

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why should we use a convex lens to focus the rays at the point on the screen.why is at an angle instead of being straight?
 

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I don't see that there is anything saying it HAS to be at an angle, the diagram is just showing what happens when it IS at an angle.
 
phinds said:
I don't see that there is anything saying it HAS to be at an angle, the diagram is just showing what happens when it IS at an angle.

okay but why is it at an angle and can't we use a concave lens
 
smart_worker said:
okay but why is it at an angle

What part of my previous post did you not understand?

can't we use a concave lens

Sure, you could use a concave lens, providing you want to spread the beams out instead of focusing them at a point.
 
The lens is placed so that its optical axis is aligned with the direction of the incoming rays. That helps minimize all sorts of undesired optic aberrations. A convex lens is used in order to focus the rays to a point
 
I see something about a diffraction grating in your picture. Could you give us a bit more info on what the picture is trying to explain?
 
Drakkith said:
I see something about a diffraction grating in your picture. Could you give us a bit more info on what the picture is trying to explain?

MN represents the section of a plane transmission grating. AB,
CD, EF … are the successive slits of equal width a and BC, DE … be
the rulings of equal width b.Let e = a + b.
Let a plane wave front of monochromatic light of wave length λ be
incident normally on the grating. According to Huygen’s principle, the
points in the slit AB, CD … etc act as a source of secondary wavelets
which spread in all directions on the other side of the grating.
Let us consider the secondary diffracted wavelets, which makes
an angle θ with the normal to the grating.
The path difference between the wavelets from one pair of
corresponding points A and C is CG = (a + b) sin θ. It will be seen that
the path difference between waves from any pair of corresponding
points is also (a + b) sin θ
The point P1 will be bright, when
(a + b) sin θ = m λ where m = 0, 1, 2, 3
In the undiffracted position θ = 0 and hence sin θ = 0.
 
It appears to me like the lens is focusing the light in order to show the interference effects. Without the lens the light would simply spread out.
 
Light from different slits is brought to a focus at P1, so it can produce interference at P. Why don't the different lengths of the sloping paths from the lens to P1 contribute path differences? The differences are compensated for by the different thicknesses of lens-glass through which the light travels. Longer paths from lens to P1 follow shorter paths through the glass, where the light travels more slowly. The upshot is that we can calculate the path difference between light from adjacent slits as d sin theta, simply using the triangles in the diagram next to the grating.
 

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