Plotting to Get a Straight Line

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around how to plot experimental (x,y) data to achieve a straight line based on specific mathematical relations. Participants are exploring various equations and their transformations to identify suitable plotting methods, including the use of semilog and rectangular plots. The focus is on understanding the relationships between variables and determining slopes and intercepts in terms of relation parameters.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to approach the problem, indicating that they have difficulty understanding the provided example.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on how the solution for part (a) was derived, suggesting a need for deeper understanding of the logarithmic manipulation involved.
  • There is a discussion about taking the natural logarithm of both sides of the equation y^2=a*e^(-b/x) to simplify the expression, with participants attempting to fill in the steps of the logarithmic transformation.
  • Some participants suggest substituting numbers to test the algebraic manipulations, indicating a strategy for overcoming algebraic impasses.
  • There is a correction regarding the use of logarithmic properties, with emphasis on the importance of using the natural logarithm (ln) for these equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the best approach to solve the problem, as there are multiple interpretations of how to manipulate the equations and differing levels of understanding among participants.

Contextual Notes

Some participants seem to struggle with the algebraic steps necessary to transform the equations into a form suitable for plotting, indicating potential gaps in their understanding of logarithmic properties and their application in this context.

Who May Find This Useful

Students working on homework related to data plotting in experimental physics or mathematics, particularly those dealing with logarithmic transformations and linearization of data.

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Homework Statement



State what you would plot to get a straight line if experimental (x,y) data are to be
correlated by the following relations, and what the slopes and intercepts would be in
terms of the relation parameters. If you could equally well use two different kinds of plots
(e.g. rectangular or semilog), state what you could plot in each case [the solution to part
(a) is given as an example]

a) y^2=a*e^(-b/x)
solution: construct a semilog plot of y^2 vs 1/x or a plot of ln(y^2) vs 1/x on rectangular coordinates, slope = -b, intercept =lna.

c) 1/ln(y −3) = (1+ a*sqrt( x))/b

e) y = exp(a sqrt(x) +b)

g) y=(ax+b/x)^(-1)

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm really confused about this. I tried looking in the book, but I couldn't find anything. I feel like the answer should be pretty easy, but I'm just not getting it. If you could help me with one of the questions it should definitely help me solve the other ones. Thanks in advance!
 
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Do you understand how to arrive at that answer you have for (a)?
 
The answer for a was given. I was looking at it so that I could get an idea as to how to complete the problem, but I don't see how they got it.
 
y^2=a*e^(-b/x)

Taking the natural log of both sides gives:

log (y^2) = log ( a*e^(-b/x) )[/color]

The RHS can be simplified using rules associated with logs, viz., log (x*y) = log(x) + log(y)

= log (a) + ...[/color]

Can you fill in the blank?
 
log(e^(-b/x))
 
ialan731 said:
log(e^(-b/x))
This can be simplified. Remember the log we are using is loge
 
So it would be just log(-b/x)
 
When you reach an impasse in algebra, it can be enlightening if you substitute numbers and play with the expression. When you think you have found the simplified form, test with numbers to see whether it equals the expression you started out with.

Perhaps first try to simplify log10[/size](10^7)
 
ialan731 said:
So it would be just log(-b/x)

You can go further than that.
 
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ialan731 said:
So it would be just log(-b/x)

No, you made a mistake.

Log(ez) = z
 
  • #11
In part a, you need to start out by taking the natural logarithm (i.e., ln) of both sides of the equation. Can you show that you get:
2\ln{y}=\ln{a}-\frac{b}{x}
In these exercises, you need to manipulate the equations mathematically so that you can plot a straight line between one parameter involving only y and/or x and another parameter involving only y and/or x. By plotting the data in this way, you can determine the (presumably unknown) parameters a and b.
 

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