Polar equations of conics question

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The discussion revolves around finding the polar equation of a hyperbola given its vertices in polar coordinates. Participants are analyzing the relationship between the vertices and the derived parameters of the hyperbola, including eccentricity and directrix.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the polar equation using the given vertices and calculates eccentricity. They express confusion over obtaining different values for the parameter p when substituting the vertices into the equation. Other participants question the interpretation of the vertices and the setup of the polar equation.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the assumptions made about the vertices and the derived equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the structure of the polar equation, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or interpretation.

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There is a noted discrepancy in the interpretation of the vertices' coordinates and their implications for the hyperbola's parameters. The original poster is also referencing a textbook solution, which adds to the complexity of the discussion.

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for this problem, I've been given the vertices of the hyperbola as (4, pi/2) and (-1, 3pi/2). the question asks to find the polar equation of this hyperbola.

so what i did was do a quick sketch of the graph. (4, pi/2) is essentially (0,4) and (-1, 3pi/2) is essentially (0,1). the midpoint of the two vertices is (0,2.5) so that's the center. since the focus is at (0,0), c = 2.5 and a = 1.5

therefore e = c/a and e = 5/3

so i wrote out the equation r = (5/3)p / 1 + (5/3)sin& since the directrix is above the x-axis or polar axis between the two vertices. (by the way I'm using "&" to stand for the greek letter theta.)

then i just used one of the points they gave me (4, pi/2) and plugged it into the equation to solve for p. 4 = (5/3)p / (1 + (5/3)) when i solve for p, i get that p = 32/5.

however when i plug in the other point they gave me for the hyperbola (-1, 3pi/2), i get a different p value. -1 = (5/3)p / (1 - (5/3)) and when i solve for p i get that p = 2/5.

what's going on? how come the p values are different? both points are vertices of the hyperbola so i don't know why I'm getting different answers. the back of my textbook says that p = 8/5. how did the book get that? and how am i getting two different p values? please help me! I'm so confused.
 
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What are you using for the eccentricity? Assuming the vertices are also given in polar coordinates, the vertices are at (0, 4) and (0, -1) so the center is at (0,3/2) but there are an infinite number of hyperboles that fit that.
 
the vertices they have given me are (4, pi/2) and (-1, 3pi/2) which in rectangular coordinates is (0,4) and (0,1) so the center of the hyperbola is (0,5/2) and (0,0) is one focus of the hyperbola.

so using that info i determined that c = 2.5 (the distance from center to focus) and a = 1.5 (distance from center to vertex). and i know that e = c/a, so i did e = 2.5 / 1.5 = 5/3

so my eccentricity of this hyperbola is 5/3.
 
demonelite123 said:
so i wrote out the equation r = (5/3)p / 1 + (5/3)sin& since the directrix is above the x-axis or polar axis between the two vertices. (by the way I'm using "&" to stand for the greek letter theta.)

Hmmm... shouldn't this be:

[tex]r=\frac{\left(\frac{5}{3}\right)p}{-1+\left(\frac{5}{3}\right)\sin(\theta)}[/tex]


?:wink:
 
hm in my textbook, they only show the formulas r = ep / (1 +/- cos(&)) and r = ep / (1 +/- sin(&))

(& stands for "theta")

how did you get the -1 in your equation?
 

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