Position Function and its antiderivative

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The discussion revolves around the physical significance of a position function x(t) and its antiderivative, particularly in the context of particle motion. Participants explore the implications of the intersection of these functions and the area between their curves, while addressing issues of notation and conceptual clarity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the physical significance of the position function x(t) and its antiderivative, providing an example of a particle's motion.
  • Another participant critiques the notation used, suggesting that the position function should be expressed in terms of the variable t, rather than x, and points out the missing "dt" in the integral notation.
  • A third participant asks if there are any interesting physical quantities that have units of length multiplied by time.
  • One participant argues that the critique of notation is irrelevant, suggesting that substituting t for x is acceptable and dismissing the need for detailed notation in a casual example.
  • Another participant responds that the examples of units provided do not fit the form of (length unit)*(time unit).
  • A later reply proposes the idea of a line integral in the context of calculating work done by a force along a path, suggesting a potential connection to the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of the notation used in the example, with some supporting the critique and others dismissing it as unnecessary. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the physical significance of the position function and its antiderivative.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of notation and the definitions used, particularly concerning the relationship between the position function and its variable. The discussion also highlights unresolved questions about the physical interpretation of certain quantities.

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What is the physical siginificance of a position function x(t) and its antiderivative [tex]\int x(t)[/tex].


Ex. a particles motion is defined by the function x(t) = [tex]x^{3} + \2x^{2} + 3x - 1[/tex]

if its antiderivative is [tex]\int x(t)[/tex] = [tex]\frac{x^{4}}{4} + \frac{2x^{3}}{3} + \frac{3x^{2}}{2} - x[/tex]

The values in which these two functions intersect is :
[tex]x = .241732[/tex] and [tex]x = 3.298644[/tex]

The area between these two curves is given by:

[tex]\int^{3.298644}_{.241732} (x^{3} + \2x^{2} + 3x - 1) dx - \int^{3.298644}_{.241732} (\frac{x^{4}}{4} + \frac{2x^{3}}{3} + \frac{3x^{2}}{2} - x) dxdx[/tex] which is equal to 14.906747

So i was just wondering what this meant if anything at all.
 
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Well... it seems that something is a bit off here. When you say you have a position function x(t), you say that the position is given by x, and it depends on some variable t. But, first of all, when you list the antiderivative, you actually are using incorrect and incomplete notation; shouldn't there be a "dt" at the end of that integral?

Your notation is just totally incorrect. In your example, you define x(t) in terms of x; this does not make sense. When you write x(t), you imply that x(t) will be written in terms of the variable t. For example, x(t) = t, or x(t) = t^2 + t, and so on. Instead, you have written x(t) as a function of x; in other words, you're not actually writing x(t) at all, you're writing some other function, a function which depends on x, say, f(x). You then give the antiderivative of f(x) with respect to x.

I think these are issues which you should think about and fix before moving on.
 
In addition to mordechai's good post, I'd like to ask you:

Do YOU know of any interesting physical quantity having units length*time?
 
I think the point made by mordechai is irrelavent, any intelligent human being should be able to substitute t for x, seriously its not worth devoting an entire paragraph about. I made up the example off the top of my head, its not like i was going off of a problem from a book. so substitute t for x and we're good to go and for arildno, i can think of ft/sec, m/sec, and all of the other units of those kinds ft/sec^2 and so on...
 
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Where none of those is of the form (length unit)*(time unit).
 
I think that the simple answer to your final question is: No. It does not mean anything.
 
Perhaps you were thinking of a line integral? If the component of force in the direction of the line can be expressed as a function of position, then the line intergral would calculate the work done bewteen two points on the line.
 

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